PIC S3 Ships & Tech

[valkyrie013]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nimitz-class_aircraft_carrier#Design_differences_within_the_class

Something like the Abraham Lincoln, Nimitz Class, Theodore Roosevelt sub class. Though still technically Nimitz Class.

Or maybe like airplanes, like the F/a 18, the A/C was one plane, but the E/F/G were a complete redesign, much larger, though visually close. Or Block designation, F 16 Block 40

 

[blssdwlf]

..And Scotty’s blueprints in ST6 say “Constitution-class” in 1992.

Some have tried to pretzel “Enterprise Class” to literally mean that it’s the simiulator for the class of cadets who’ll be embarking for a li’l training cruise on the Enterprise. Next door would be the sim for the “Republic Class”, and so on.

There are several ways to look at it without the pretzels since the "Constitution Class" is only shown for the Enterprise-A in TUC while the "Enterprise Class" is only shown for the Enterprise (not A) in TWOK.
1. Both are correct at the time they are shown. It isn't unusual for a ship to change class names during their service.
2. Or both are correct because they only apply to the specific version of the ship. We don't have any scenes in TWOK that displays the Enterprise (not A) as a "Constitution Class" and we don't have any scenes in TUC that shows the Enterprise-A as "Enterprise Class". So Non-A is "Enterprise Class" and A is "Constitution Class".
3. Or Every time someone time-travels the class name changes.

 

[Magistos]

I like number 3!

Dr. Walter Bishop approves!

 

[Mark_Nguyen]

So would another Doctor. The original, you might say.

...

Shower thought: Any museum in real life will have a collection far larger than what's open to the public. The ships we see at the Fleet Museum may be part of a rotation to encourage people to come back. Last year they may have had a bunch of ships from the 2250s mixed in with the staunch favorites, but this year they wanted to add some new favorites acquired over the last four decades, so they made room for the Defiant, Voyager, Stargazer in honor of the new one plying the spaceways, and so on. And heck, maybe a couple months past, the Leondegrance may have occupied the ring in which Voyager currently sits but her nacelles needed a bit of a shine, so she was taken inside. And after episode ten...

Spoiler

There may be a bunch of empty spaces to fill, if the rumors are true...

It can be argued that the existing ships alone could keep coming back for years - if they're set up remotely like the ships we have as floating museums today, even one of them could keep a visitor occupied for a whole day and leave plenty unseen. As such, there wouldn't be any rush to rotate ships into the public collection. Regardless, if there are depots like Qualor II still around, even accounting for ships pressed into wartime service after retirement there should be ample stock to choose from.

Mark

 

[Macintosh]

The Mark IV Simulator sign in TWOK says "Enterprise Class".

https://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/twokhd/twokhd0093.jpg

Hence my earlier point about "Enterprise-class being the intent of the production teams of at least TMP and TWoK". This certainly was not the case in later movies when there was some production crossover with TNG.

..And Scotty’s blueprints in ST6 say “Constitution-class” in 1992.

Indeed it does...

...Though quite what Scotty of all people needs with such a basic technical schematic is anyone's guess!

 

[Macintosh]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nimitz-class_aircraft_carrier#Design_differences_within_the_class

Something like the Abraham Lincoln, Nimitz Class, Theodore Roosevelt sub class. Though still technically Nimitz Class.

Or maybe like airplanes, like the F/a 18, the A/C was one plane, but the E/F/G were a complete redesign, much larger, though visually close. Or Block designation, F 16 Block 40

That rings a bell... wasn't there a fan concept at some point that there were various subclasses of the Constitution-class like the Bonhomme Richard and the Achernar to describe the different revisions we see during TOS (one with the Bussard spikes and taller bridge, etc)? That would make the Enterprise subclass the first revision of the TMP-style refit... presumably the Enterprise-A would have been yet another subclass since it's obviously different internally from the TMP-TWoK-TSfS Enterprise. Yorktown subclass possibly!

 

[Racefuel]

That rings a bell... wasn't there a fan concept at some point that there were various subclasses of the Constitution-class like the Bonhomme Richard and the Achernar to describe the different revisions we see during TOS (one with the Bussard spikes and taller bridge, etc)? That would make the Enterprise subclass the first revision of the TMP-style refit... presumably the Enterprise-A would have been yet another subclass since it's obviously different internally from the TMP-TWoK-TSfS Enterprise. Yorktown subclass possibly!

Both the Bonnie Dick and Achernar were from the various RPG games in the 80's and 90's, IIRC.

 

[blssdwlf]

Hence my earlier point about "Enterprise-class being the intent of the production teams of at least TMP and TWoK". This certainly was not the case in later movies when there was some production crossover with TNG.

It is more than just intent when "Enterprise Class" made it to the big screen in TWOK just like "Constitution Class" is shown in TUC. I included a link to the screenshot as a response to your quote below that sounded like she had never been named "Enterprise Class".

I wouldn't mind the refit Constitution-class having been named the Enterprise-class. Indeed, it would have solved a lot of ambiguity. But they decided to not go down this route, and so here we are... with at least four different Constitution-classes

 

[fireproof78]

.Though quite what Scotty of all people needs with such a basic technical schematic is anyone's guess!

Never hurts to refresh the old memory banks.

 

[blssdwlf]

Never hurts to refresh the old memory banks.

It's a good thing they're still using paper too

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

It's a good thing they're still using paper too

Imagine how nice future paper could be through all the advancements in Material Science =D

 

[blssdwlf]

Imagine how nice future paper could be through all the advancements in Material Science =D

That's not a pen but a magic digital marker for a digital schematic. Those red marks could probably disappear with a wave of the pen.

 

[fireproof78]

It's a good thing they're still using paper too

I have a laptop and phone for work.

When I'mreviewing charts I print. Some things are easier in hand.

Imagine how nice future paper could be through all the advancements in Material Science =D

Well, its at least it's dust free paper.

 

[Timelord79 (he/him)]

Yeah, for all we know it‘s smart paper, able to change what it displays like any old display

 

[Macintosh]

It is more than just intent when "Enterprise Class" made it to the big screen in TWOK just like "Constitution Class" is shown in TUC. I included a link to the screenshot as a response to your quote below that sounded like she had never been named "Enterprise Class".

I'm well aware of the "Mark IV Simulator – Enterprise Class" plaque in TWoK. She was still never definitively stated to be Enterprise-class.

 

[blssdwlf]

I'm well aware of the "Mark IV Simulator – Enterprise Class" plaque in TWoK. She was still never definitively stated to be Enterprise-class.

She was also never definitely stated to be "Constitution Class" in TUC. We're only hearing in dialogue stating that she's "Constitution Class" in-universe many of their years later. The plaque in TWOK is just as correct as the schematic is in TUC in their respective timeframes.

edit: I wouldn't expect characters in their future to call her "Enterprise Class" when she had been reclassified as "Constitution Class" at the time of her retirement.

 

[jackoverfull]

.Though quite what Scotty of all people needs with such a basic technical schematic is anyone's guess

you never stop to admire a work of art over a cup of tea, even one you have admired many times?

 

[137th Gebirg]

I never noticed all the red “X” markings all over the schematic before. I wonder what those were supposed to mean.

 

[jackoverfull]

I never noticed all the red “X” markings all over the schematic before. I wonder what those were supposed to mean.

they were searching for the magnetic boots, perhaps those were places scotty had checked for them?

 

[valkyrie013]

Could just be "Enterprise Class" was just the version of the simulator, since the Enterprise was the Academy ship at the time, they'd use an Enterprise bridge as a template for the simulator since it would be the ship they'd first serve on.