Orci strikes back

[Tosk]

This Orci stuff is pretty much playing out the same way.

It always will when it's an individual vs a group. The group is made up of so many different interests, viewpoints, and temperaments that it is easy for people to say, "The group is completely irrational / hypocritical / fickle."

 

[James]

Failure will make a person lose their cool, no wonder he's pissed. He writes a couple of half assed movies that have the name "Star Trek" in them that are universally panned then he throws a fit. That makes sense.

 

[Amaris]

Failure will make a person lose their cool, no wonder he's pissed. He writes a couple of half assed movies that have the name "Star Trek" in them that are universally panned then he throws a fit. That makes sense.

Who, Braga?

 

[James]

Failure will make a person lose their cool, no wonder he's pissed. He writes a couple of half assed movies that have the name "Star Trek" in them that are universally panned then he throws a fit. That makes sense.

Who, Braga?

Orci

 

[SeerSGB]

Failure will make a person lose their cool, no wonder he's pissed. He writes a couple of half assed movies that have the name "Star Trek" in them that are universally panned then he throws a fit. That makes sense.

On what planet?

Rotten Tomatoes: STID
Rotten Tomatoes: Star Trek

 

[Amaris]

Failure will make a person lose their cool, no wonder he's pissed. He writes a couple of half assed movies that have the name "Star Trek" in them that are universally panned then he throws a fit. That makes sense.

Who, Braga?

Orci

That can't be right. You said "half assed," and "universally panned." Those statements are factually incorrect.

Rotten Tomatoes - 87%
IMDB - 8.0
Metacritic - 72%

And STiD has made nearly HALF A BILLION DOLLARS worldwide, not counting the DVD and Bluray sales which we'll know in a few months.

Wherever you got your information, it is incorrect.

 

[James]

Who, Braga?

Orci

That can't be right. You said "half assed," and "universally panned." Those statements are factually incorrect.

Rotten Tomatoes - 87%
IMDB - 8.0
Metacritic - 72%

And STiD has made nearly HALF A BILLION DOLLARS worldwide, not counting the DVD and Bluray sales which we'll know in a few months.

Wherever you got your information, it is incorrect.

My information is correct, it didn't make half a billion worldwide, the japanese people avoided it like the plague. I wonder how much paramount paid those sites to bullshit.

 

[SeerSGB]

Orci

That can't be right. You said "half assed," and "universally panned." Those statements are factually incorrect.

Rotten Tomatoes - 87%
IMDB - 8.0
Metacritic - 72%

And STiD has made nearly HALF A BILLION DOLLARS worldwide, not counting the DVD and Bluray sales which we'll know in a few months.

Wherever you got your information, it is incorrect.

My information is correct, it didn't make half a billion worldwide, the japanese people avoided it like the plague. I wonder how much paramount paid those sites to bullshit.

Really? We're going to go down the "Paramount bought votes" route?

 

[Nerys Myk]

Orci

That can't be right. You said "half assed," and "universally panned." Those statements are factually incorrect.

Rotten Tomatoes - 87%
IMDB - 8.0
Metacritic - 72%

And STiD has made nearly HALF A BILLION DOLLARS worldwide, not counting the DVD and Bluray sales which we'll know in a few months.

Wherever you got your information, it is incorrect.

My information is correct, it didn't make half a billion worldwide, the japanese people avoided it like the plague. I wonder how much paramount paid those sites to bullshit.

So when faced with facts that contradict your opinion you claim "bullshit"?

Care to share the source for your information?

 

[Amaris]

Orci

That can't be right. You said "half assed," and "universally panned." Those statements are factually incorrect.

Rotten Tomatoes - 87%
IMDB - 8.0
Metacritic - 72%

And STiD has made nearly HALF A BILLION DOLLARS worldwide, not counting the DVD and Bluray sales which we'll know in a few months.

Wherever you got your information, it is incorrect.

My information is correct, it didn't make half a billion worldwide, the japanese people avoided it like the plague. I wonder how much paramount paid those sites to bullshit.

Cite evidence. Otherwise, your suppositions are flawed and baseless.

 

[ComicGuy89]

Orci

That can't be right. You said "half assed," and "universally panned." Those statements are factually incorrect.

Rotten Tomatoes - 87%
IMDB - 8.0
Metacritic - 72%

And STiD has made nearly HALF A BILLION DOLLARS worldwide, not counting the DVD and Bluray sales which we'll know in a few months.

Wherever you got your information, it is incorrect.

My information is correct, it didn't make half a billion worldwide, the japanese people avoided it like the plague. I wonder how much paramount paid those sites to bullshit.

Just because Star Trek into Darkness didn't do quite as well in Japan doesn't make it a failure. Star Trek has traditionally fared poorly in non-US markets, and in fact, the much better international gross of Into Darkness is something to be commended. Even in Japan, it has scored $9 million compared to $5.8 million of the 2009 movie, showing that there is a significant improvement.

NO Star Trek movie has made half a billion worldwide. Star Trek Into Darkness remains the one movie closest to reaching half a billion with a total gross of $465 million. In fact, with the exception of The Voyage Home, none of them have domestic grosses (Box Office Mojo doesn't have non-US box office details for some Trek movies) that exceed $100 million. So are all the other Star Trek movies failures too?

If studios could easily influence critics to give positive reviews it's a wonder why so many blockbusters are still panned. For example why didn't Paramount pay them to upvote the Transformers series then?

Sources:
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/search/?q=star%20trek
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=main&id=startrek11.htm
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=startrek12.htm

 

[iguana_tonante]

Failure will make a person lose their cool, no wonder he's pissed. He writes a couple of half assed movies that have the name "Star Trek" in them that are universally panned then he throws a fit. That makes sense.

Which brings us to the real question: what kind of monumental failure happened in their life that made people so bitter and angry about a fucking movie?

 

[F. King Daniel]

Actually, this whole thing reminds me of the 'Is Brannon Braga Evil?' thread that was on the old AOL Star Trek message boards back in the '90s. Don't remember it? That's because i'm old...

Well, I don't know about evil, but that whole speculum story he told in an interview once sure hit Creep Factor 9.6.

Speculum story? You just just leave us hanging like that!

Failure will make a person lose their cool, no wonder he's pissed.

I suspect you know these feelings well

 

[austen_pierce]

Why are people still bitching / brown-nosing the film? Move on people. The 50th anniversary is coming up and I'd expect nothing less than the best movie ever with the best games ever (25th anniversary DOS rocks to this day) and follow it up with 1289371298 petitions to the stupid studios to stop bickering and LET US MAKE A DAMN TV SHOW ALREADY.

You'd get at least 23,351

 

[Locutus of Bored]

Actually, this whole thing reminds me of the 'Is Brannon Braga Evil?' thread that was on the old AOL Star Trek message boards back in the '90s. Don't remember it? That's because i'm old...

Well, I don't know about evil, but that whole speculum story he told in an interview once sure hit Creep Factor 9.6.

Speculum story? You just just leave us hanging like that!

Don't say I didn't warn you.

This was from an on the record interview with writer Jeff Greenwald that Braga allegedly gave during a sex party at his home. As far as I'm aware, Braga has never disputed the quote:

Spoiler: Spoiler coded just in case

"I am something of an amateur gynecologist. I have been known to utilize a speculum now and again. The female body, as a functional instrument, obsesses me. If I were on the Enterprise's holodeck . . . My greatest fantasy is to be with that fifty-foot woman from those schmaltzy 1950s sci-fi films. That would be the ultimate: to actually crawl up the vagina."

----- Brannon Braga - from Jeff Greenwald's Future Perfect: How Star Trek Conquered Planet Earth (1998), pgs. 55-56.

There's nothing illegal or anything like that; it's just a weird fetish, but the clinical way he describes women, calling the female body a "functional instrument" that he's obsessed with examining, and the way he literally objectifies and reduces women down to their body parts (non-metaphorically), is pretty damn creepy.

 

[BillJ]

Eww...

 

[Kemaiku]

Yikes

 

[Darth Duck]

^And people once said he didn't respect Gene's vision of what Star Trek is.

 

[F. King Daniel]

Well, I don't know about evil, but that whole speculum story he told in an interview once sure hit Creep Factor 9.6.

Speculum story? You just just leave us hanging like that!

Don't say I didn't warn you.

This was from an on the record interview with writer Jeff Greenwald that Braga allegedly gave during a sex party at his home. As far as I'm aware, Braga has never disputed the quote:

Spoiler: Spoiler coded just in case

"I am something of an amateur gynecologist. I have been known to utilize a speculum now and again. The female body, as a functional instrument, obsesses me. If I were on the Enterprise's holodeck . . . My greatest fantasy is to be with that fifty-foot woman from those schmaltzy 1950s sci-fi films. That would be the ultimate: to actually crawl up the vagina."

----- Brannon Braga - from Jeff Greenwald's Future Perfect: How Star Trek Conquered Planet Earth (1998), pgs. 55-56.

There's nothing illegal or anything like that; it's just a weird fetish, but the clinical way he describes women, calling the female body a "functional instrument" that he's obsessed with examining, and the way he literally objectifies and reduces women down to their body parts (non-metaphorically), is pretty damn creepy.

Now I know more about Brannon Braga than I ever wanted to

 

[Kruezerman]

Ew.