Orci strikes back

[M.A.C.O.]

Maybe people just don't respond to some things. Lost in Space is best known as the goofy old show where a mincing pedophile would insult a robot. The movie is about space spiders, time bubbles and something vague about families.

Star Trek is best known as the show where Kirk seduces women, Spock is smart and they fight bad guys in space. The movie reproduced that and told a decent story as well.

"When Dr. Smith met Mr. Spock"
That would've made a great title of an episode for A Lost In Space crossover with TOS.

 

[Awesome Possum]

Maybe people just don't respond to some things. Lost in Space is best known as the goofy old show where a mincing pedophile would insult a robot. The movie is about space spiders, time bubbles and something vague about families.

Star Trek is best known as the show where Kirk seduces women, Spock is smart and they fight bad guys in space. The movie reproduced that and told a decent story as well.

"When Dr. Smith met Mr. Spock"
That would've made a great title of an episode for A Lost In Space crossover with TOS.

The kid with the sweet medallion looks nervous.

 

[Franklin]

Maybe people just don't respond to some things. Lost in Space is best known as the goofy old show where a mincing pedophile would insult a robot. The movie is about space spiders, time bubbles and something vague about families.

Star Trek is best known as the show where Kirk seduces women, Spock is smart and they fight bad guys in space. The movie reproduced that and told a decent story as well.

"When Dr. Smith met Mr. Spock"
That would've made a great title of an episode for A Lost In Space crossover with TOS.

The kid with the sweet medallion looks nervous.

Those are Nimoy's children, aren't they? The girl looks totally unimpressed.

 

[Cinema Geekly]

Bob Orci chats with the folks at Mission Logs Podcast about INTO DARKNESS, fan criticism and why Khan:

http://www.missionlogpodcast.com/supplemental/

It's nearly an hour and a half and it really is fantastic. What is truly amazing is how the hosts managed to bring up points they didn't like about the movie without calling Bob a hack or claiming that he has ruined Star Trek. Man, that must have been hard for them to do.

Seriously It is totally worth listening too, and Bob pretty much calls a lot of criticism 'fair points'. He is anything but combative.

 

[BillJ]

Seriously It is totally worth listening too, and Bob pretty much calls a lot of criticism 'fair points'. He is anything but combative.

It's amazing that if you actually act civil towards someone, they may act civil back.

 

[Ovation]

Pshaw. That's just nonsense you're talking.

 

[Galileo7]

I think that Lost in Space movie ruined that franchise.

Regardless of how bad the movie was, how do you "ruin" a franchise that hadn't been on the air in thirty years before the movie came out and whose only spin-off up to that point was a failed Saturday morning cartoon pilot in 1972? If anything, you could argue that the movie possibly helped with creating interest in rebooting the TV series in 2003, but unfortunately that pilot wasn't picked up either (which had nothing to do with the movie).

Yes probably a bit of hyperbole there. Maybe I should have said there was probably a lost opportunity there. TV series and movies have a lot of other factors involved.

If the Lost In Space movie had been a greater success then logically you might think there was a greater chance of rebooting a TV series or at least another movie.

I'm also thinking about the Thunderbirds movie. Surely if that had been better received they might have done something about the Thunderbirds.

Agree. If Thunderbirds 2004 film, Lost In Space 1998 film and 2003 pilot had been successful, then those franchises would still be in production.

 

[Galileo7]

Maybe people just don't respond to some things. Lost in Space is best known as the goofy old show where a mincing pedophile would insult a robot. The movie is about space spiders, time bubbles and something vague about families.

Star Trek is best known as the show where Kirk seduces women, Spock is smart and they fight bad guys in space. The movie reproduced that and told a decent story as well.

Dr. Smith was a total coward that would hide behind Will, Penny, Judy and Maureen. However, Smith regularly pursued the alien women that the Robinsons encountered. He even was infatuated with a green woman. I wonder if she was Orion.

 

[ichab]

I understand Orci's response because the complaints aren't simply "I hated it." The complaints have been more along the lines of "that isn't logical" or "that could never happen in real life" or "Where was the fleet when that happened?" It's like a bunch of wanna be writers are trying to give Orci a lesson about good writing and it's laughable.

You could pick apart any of the old movies: I guess it was totally logical for Spock's "living spirit" to be passed from McCoy into a re-generated body or no fleet of any kind to be present when Chang is attacking two federation ships right near a huge galactic conference of alien species.I guess all those delegates just transported there from their own worlds and didn't need ships to take them there or stand by . And of course who can forget Khan remembering Chekov, who wasn't even on the T.V show when Khan made his one and only appearance? I guess all those movies were badly written as well right? Didn't think so

Some people just need to learn to relax and enjoy movies.

 

[Kelthaz]

I understand Orci's response because the complaints aren't simply "I hated it." The complaints have been more along the lines of "that isn't logical" or "that could never happen in real life" or "Where was the fleet when that happened?" It's like a bunch of wanna be writers are trying to give Orci a lesson about good writing and it's laughable.

So you'd prefer all criticism to be completely devoid of reason and consist entirely of "it sucks" or "I hate it"?

 

[Tosk]

I guess all those movies were badly written as well right? Didn't think so

Uh, the older movies get critized all the time. As does every facet of the entire Trek universe.

 

[ichab]

I understand Orci's response because the complaints aren't simply "I hated it." The complaints have been more along the lines of "that isn't logical" or "that could never happen in real life" or "Where was the fleet when that happened?" It's like a bunch of wanna be writers are trying to give Orci a lesson about good writing and it's laughable.

So you'd prefer all criticism to be completely devoid of reason and consist entirely of "it sucks" or "I hate it"?

I'd prefer the criticism to be consistent.If you hate the movie because of x,y and z while overlooking the same nitpicks with the previous movies then you're being a hypocrite.. I'd also like people to criticize the movie and know what they are talking about. I shouldn't have to explain simple things like khan transporting from earth to kronos when it's well explained in the movie..

 

[ichab]

I understand Orci's response because the complaints aren't simply "I hated it." The complaints have been more along the lines of "that isn't logical" or "that could never happen in real life" or "Where was the fleet when that happened?" It's like a bunch of wanna be writers are trying to give Orci a lesson about good writing and it's laughable.

So you'd prefer all criticism to be completely devoid of reason and consist entirely of "it sucks" or "I hate it"?

I'd prefer the criticism to be consistent.If you hate the movie because of x,y and z while overlooking the same nitpicks with the previous movies then you're being a hypocritethe. I'd also like people to criticize the movie and know what they are talking about. I shouldn't have to explain simple things like khan transporting from earth to kronos when it's well explained in the movie..

 

[ichab]

Sorry about that. Stupid Droid phone...

 

[Bad Thoughts]

If Orci didn't want to deal with over-critical fans, many of whom actively worked on keeping the franchise alive for decades, judging his work, maybe he should work on reviving a different franchise. Maybe the Transformers? Spiderman?

 

[Commishsleer]

If Orci didn't want to deal with over-critical fans, many of whom actively worked on keeping the franchise alive for decades, judging his work, maybe he should work on reviving a different franchise. Maybe the Transformers? Spiderman?

That doesn't mean he has to put up with &^% from these fans (or anybody).

 

[Shazam!]

I'd prefer the criticism to be consistent.If you hate the movie because of x,y and z while overlooking the same nitpicks with the previous movies then you're being a hypocritethe

Why can't the movie (and its praises and criticisms) be judged on its individual merit as opposed to relative to some movie made over 30 years ago?

We can't be expected to footnote every criticism with caveats and acknowledgements of previous movie/series citations.

 

[Shazam!]

If Orci didn't want to deal with over-critical fans, many of whom actively worked on keeping the franchise alive for decades, judging his work, maybe he should work on reviving a different franchise. Maybe the Transformers?

He already revived Transformers and it was shit.

 

[F. King Daniel]

I'd prefer the criticism to be consistent.If you hate the movie because of x,y and z while overlooking the same nitpicks with the previous movies then you're being a hypocritethe

Why can't the movie (and its praises and criticisms) be judged on its individual merit as opposed to relative to some movie made over 30 years ago?

We can't be expected to footnote every criticism with caveats and acknowledgements of previous movie/series citations.

Let's see how your favourite Trek movie or episodes hold up under the kind of scrutiny Into Darkness is recieving.

 

[Shazam!]

Let's see how your favourite Trek movie or episodes hold up under the kind of scrutiny Into Darkness is recieving.

Why?