Orci strikes back

[BillJ]

Gay is a chosen lifestyle, you are not born that way...

Did you choose to be straight?

 

[Locutus of Bored]

Why is it do people feel like they have to have a gay person in every show on TV, especially Star Trek. Leave the gay out of it. Star Trek New Voyages put a gay person in the crew and they lost lots of their fans, now they are just a trickle of what they used to be, does Paramount want to try to take that risk with the money maker Star Trek is? I think not. So please, keep gay out of it and just enjoy it the way it is, why ruin it. Why always put the gay factor in. sheeesh.

Let's see. If we substitute for the word 'gay' with 'african-american' or 'female' or 'russian' ... oh yeah, I see what you mean.

But just so the meaning is clear, we'd better set it on another starship, the USS W.A.S.P., which carries shuttlecraft called JOHN BIRCH and REDNECK and maybe even KLANSMAN, though it is hard to tell about the latter because it is usually stored in a shroud.

I just wanted to ask a question about it because on any Trek discussion, someone has to bring up about wishing Kirk was gay, or someone else is gay, or make a gay crew member, etc. African American, etc are all born that way, they cannot help it. Gay is a chosen lifestyle, you are not born that way so why does someone always have to bring up the gay subject in star trek. That is all I was asking is why bring that up all the time. Why can't we let Star Trek be Star Trek.

I guess it's too much to expect you to take the hint from your infraction yesterday or the numerous requests to drop the subject you've been given in other threads and forums.

If you want to talk about gays choosing to be the way they are or how you'll be magically transformed into one if you see them on a movie screen, you are more than welcome to come down to TNZ where your posts will receive all the friendly consideration they deserve. Or you can find some bigoted website somewhere and share. But it's not welcome in the Trek discussion forums, understood?

Infraction for trolling. Comments to PM.

Also, I know it's hard, and it's nice to see everyone give this guy the criticism he rightfully deserves, but in the future, let's just ignore any posts of his that deal with gays and notify the mods so we can deal with him. There's no need to give Westboro here more attention.

 

[serenitytrek1]

Gay is a chosen lifestyle, you are not born that way...

Did you choose to be straight?

I don't know if this is the right place to talk about homosexuality because you can get marked for spamming. The subject of homosexuality is very complex.There is so much emotions that goes into it and you might end up offending people if you state your views.

While I love and support everyone in the world regardless of how they choose to leave their lives. I am not someone that encourages homosexuality.

I don't think the media and many of this Hollywood shows are helping people because they tend to glamorise homosexuality without stating some of the consequences of it.

Of course if you voice your opinion others will call you a religious nut job or say you are homophobic.

I do think homosexuality is a choice. Its a choice in the sense that a person choses to carry out a sexual or romantic affair with someone of the same sex.

I also understand what some people are saying. Hollywood does have a gay agenda. I use the term gay agenda because most TV shows tend to support homosexuality when in realty Americans are split on the topic . it will be best to have a real and honest debate on the subject instead of it been one sided and favourable to those who support it.

It is also not fair to compare race and sex/gender.

Blacks have a history of racism, slavery, jim crow, been treated as second class citizens, lynching by their whites counterparts just for fun. gays don't have that kind of history.

You can't compare a person's race to a person's sexuality or gender there are completely two different things.

 

[Rincewiend]

You can't compare a person's race to a person's sexuality or gender there are completely two different things.

You can't choose your skin-colour or your sex, neither who you are attracted to...
So they pretty much are the same thing...

 

[BillJ]

Please fix the quote tags. I don't want to be associated with that non-sense.

 

[Nerys Myk]

I don't know if this is the right place to talk about homosexuality because you can get marked for spamming. The subject of homosexuality is very complex there are so much emotions that goes into it and you might end up offending people if you state your views.

You can have that discussion here or here. The former is more no holds barred and "mark" free.

 

[serenitytrek1]

You can't compare a person's race to a person's sexuality or gender there are completely two different things.

You can't choose your skin-colour or your sex, neither who you are attracted to...
So they pretty much are the same thing...

No its not the same thing. people don't need to act on feelings. Also men are women are different. our genders are different.

 

[BillJ]

No its not the same thing. people don't need to act on feelings. Also men are women are different. our genders are different.

Just please stop.

 

[Set Harth]

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[Nerys Myk]

You can't choose your skin-colour or your sex, neither who you are attracted to...
So they pretty much are the same thing...

No its not the same thing. people don't need to act on feelings. Also men are women are different. our genders are different.

So, I shouldn't have reacted to the feelings I had for the woman who became my wife?

Come on, lets step over here and discuss this.

 

[BillJ]

I don't know if this is the right place to talk about homosexuality because you can get marked for spamming. The subject of homosexuality is very complex there are so much emotions that goes into it and you might end up offending people if you state your views.

You can have that discussion here

"Set Harth, you do not have permission to access this page. This could be due to one of several reasons:

Your user account may not have sufficient privileges to access this page. Are you trying to edit someone else's post, access administrative features or some other privileged system?
If you are trying to post, the administrator may have disabled your account, or it may be awaiting activation."

IIRC, I had to check a box somewhere to access TNZ. Or join it or something. Maybe a mod can give us a clue...

 

[Nerys Myk]

I don't know if this is the right place to talk about homosexuality because you can get marked for spamming. The subject of homosexuality is very complex there are so much emotions that goes into it and you might end up offending people if you state your views.

You can have that discussion here

"Set Harth, you do not have permission to access this page. This could be due to one of several reasons:

Your user account may not have sufficient privileges to access this page. Are you trying to edit someone else's post, access administrative features or some other privileged system?
If you are trying to post, the administrator may have disabled your account, or it may be awaiting activation."

So, where is "here", and why can't I access it?

You might have to ask T'Bonz or something. I forget how it works.

 

[BillJ]

I think they have to do something under group memberships in their user profile.

 

[serenitytrek1]

No its not the same thing. people don't need to act on feelings. Also men are women are different. our genders are different.

Just please stop.

okay you stop then. where again is the tolerance? Why can't people tolerate others difference views on homosexuality.

I though tolerance was when people agree to disagree. instead of asking me to stop lets just choose to respectfully disagree on the topic.

 

[M'Sharak]

Gay is a chosen lifestyle, you are not born that way...

Did you choose to be straight?

I don't know if this is the right place to talk about homosexuality because you can get marked for spamming. The subject of homosexuality is very complex there are so much emotions that goes into it and you might end up offending people if you state your views.

While I love and support everyone in the world regardless of how they choose to leave their lives. I am not someone that encourages homosexuality.

I don't think the media and many of this Hollywood shows are helping people because they tend to glamorise homosexuality without stating some of the consequences of it.

Of course if you voice your opinion others will call you a religious nut job or say you are homophobic.

I do think homosexuality is a choice. Its a choice in the sense that a person choses to carry out a sexual or romantic affair with someone of the same sex.

I also understand what some people are saying. Hollywood does have a gay agenda. I use the term gay agenda because most TV shows tend to support homosexuality when in realty Americans are split on the topic . it will be best to have a real and honest debate on the subject instead if it been one sided and favourable to those who support it.

It is also not fair to compare race and sex/gender.

Blacks have a history of racism, slavery, jim crow, been treated as second class citizens, lynching by their whites counterparts just for fun. gays don't have that kind of history.

You can't compare a person's race to a person's sexuality or gender there are completely two different things.

Seriously, serenitytrek1? One person has just received a warning for trolling off-topic and the moderator concluded issuing that warning with this admonition to the rest of the forum:

Also, I know it's hard, and it's nice to see everyone give this guy the criticism he rightfully deserves, but in the future, let's just ignore any posts of his that deal with gays and notify the mods so we can deal with him. There's no need to give Westboro here more attention.

So, right away, you decide to ignore that and post a big off-topic diatribe of your own, keying off the very post you had just been directed to ignore? You, who have been cautioned on a number of occasions previously against off-topic rants; who have previously received warnings for posting such off-topic rants and for pointedly refusing to comply with moderator requests? If I'm not mistaken, this isn't the first time you've gone off-topic to get up on the soapbox with your views about homosexuality, either, but that's beside the point, which is this: You have, from your earliest posts with this account, continually and repeatedly displayed a lack of self-restraint and a marked disinclination to follow rules or directions from staff.

To put it plainly and simply, there is no excuse for that post in this thread at this time, and that's particularly true in your case. You now have a warning; all further comments to PM, please.

 

[BillJ]

No its not the same thing. people don't need to act on feelings. Also men are women are different. our genders are different.

Just please stop.

okay you stop then. where again is the tolerance? Why can't people tolerate others difference views on homosexuality.

I though tolerance was when people agree to disagree. instead of asking me to stop lets just choose to respectfully disagree on the topic.

I actually did stop. You are the one who continues to spew hate after a moderator asked all parties to stop.

Also, I always love the "why aren't you tolerant of my intolerance?" Sorry, it just doesn't work that way.

 

[M'Sharak]

Everyone:

Please stop responding to serenitytrek1's off-topic digressions. That's finished.

 

[Opus]

Back on topic:

Bob Orci is the fucking MAN! Yeah!

Actually, this whole thing reminds me of the 'Is Brannon Braga Evil?' thread that was on the old AOL Star Trek message boards back in the '90s. Don't remember it? That's because i'm old...

ETA: Here's a '97 article that halfway down mentions THE WRATH OF FANS against Braga. How history repeats itself:

WRATH OF FANS: 90s style...

 

[Locutus of Bored]

Actually, this whole thing reminds me of the 'Is Brannon Braga Evil?' thread that was on the old AOL Star Trek message boards back in the '90s. Don't remember it? That's because i'm old...

Well, I don't know about evil, but that whole speculum story he told in an interview once sure hit Creep Factor 9.6.

 

[Opus]

No doubt he's odd.

FYI, I added a link to my last post re: Braga vs. the fans. This Orci stuff is pretty much playing out the same way.