Opinions on Chakotay & Seven

[teya]

Like someone above already said, "Human Error" pretty much ruined Seven's chances of a normal life. In fact, according to a Braga interview on the Season 7 dvd "Human Error" was setting up a tragic arc for Seven where she would die to save the ship in the finale.

I just watched Endgame, and Seven of Nine asks the Doctor to go through with the procedure to remove the Borg implant that inhibits her emotions. Unless I'm just misremembering the scene, the Doctor seems to think it will be fairly simply and they proceed right away. So Seven's emotional inhibition is gone partway through the episode.

Now I'll have to break out the DVD and see if I'm remembering the scene correctly or not.

Oh, you're remembering it correctly. The thing is during "Human Error" the procedure was a very difficult one. Suddenly a few episodes later in "Endgame" it's a piece of cake?

In "Scorpion," the Doc didn't know if he'd be able to save Janeway or if she'd ever wake up. Ten minutes later, you'd never know she was injured.

Medical miracles are perfectly consistent on Star Trek.

 

[kimc]

In "Scorpion," the Doc didn't know if he'd be able to save Janeway or if she'd ever wake up. Ten minutes later, you'd never know she was injured.

Medical miracles are perfectly consistent on Star Trek.

The Doctor indicated it was a difficult procedure and the success was uncertain. However, he did know what the procedure was and Chakotay was in command of Voyager for longer than ten minutes.

With the dampening device the doctor didn't know what the procedure was because he wasn't borg. He would have to invent one which one can assume would take a bit more time.

 

[teya]

In "Scorpion," the Doc didn't know if he'd be able to save Janeway or if she'd ever wake up. Ten minutes later, you'd never know she was injured.

Medical miracles are perfectly consistent on Star Trek.

The Doctor indicated it was a difficult procedure and the success was uncertain. However, he did know what the procedure was and Chakotay was in command of Voyager for longer than ten minutes.

With the dampening device the doctor didn't know what the procedure was because he wasn't borg. He would have to invent one which one can assume would take a bit more time.

From "Scorpion 2"

EMH: The plasma burns to her thoracic region I can treat, and I've already stopped the internal bleeding. But her neural injuries are going to require some creative thinking.

TUVOK: Before we beamed out, an alien energy discharge struck very near the Captain.

EMH: Well, it appears to have disrupted all her neuroelectrical pathways. I'll have to induce a coma to protect her higher brain functions. But I must tell you, unless I can repair the damage, she may never regain consciousness.

For the record, inducing a coma to protect higher brain function is something we do today. It's not curative, it's preventive. The Doc clearly says here that a cure is going to require "creative thinking."

Lo and behold, long before 1 episode was over, he'd found a cure.

 

[kimc]

For the record, inducing a coma to protect higher brain function is something we do today. It's not curative, it's preventive. The Doc clearly says here that a cure is going to require "creative thinking."

Lo and behold, long before 1 episode was over, he'd found a cure.

Like you said inducing a coma was a knowen procedure but you can take the "creative thinking" comment any way. Clearly, doctors had run into damage to neuroelectrical pathways in humans before and the doctor had that to build on.

As for the dampening device this was an entirely new phenomenon.

 

[teya]

For the record, inducing a coma to protect higher brain function is something we do today. It's not curative, it's preventive. The Doc clearly says here that a cure is going to require "creative thinking."

Lo and behold, long before 1 episode was over, he'd found a cure.

Like you said inducing a coma was a knowen procedure but you can take the "creative thinking" comment any way. Clearly, doctors had run into damage to neuroelectrical pathways in humans before and the doctor had that to build on.

As for the dampening device this was an entirely new phenomenon.

Given that the Doctor had figured out how to reprogram nanoprobes (something that even the Borg couldn't do), I don't find it at all implausible he could figure out how to reprogram an implant.

You apparently do.

We disagree.

 

[Guy Gardener]

I'm guessing that the first borg didn't want to see things get out of hand, oh that's rich, and put certain limitations on how the Borg would define perfection and grow towards it.

Remeber Darkling?

It's like those monstrous looking people who are addicted to plastic surgery.

Besides rejiggering their code till they're perfect is completely different to adding new alien consciousness and societal data and tech till they're prefect. It's the difference between masturbation and sex again.

 

[kimc]

We disagree.

I don't know about you but I take a strange comfort in the familiarity of it all.

 

[Amaris]

I didn't watch the show very often, but I did feel chemistry between Chakotay and Seven. I thought they made a cute couple.


J.

 

[andersonh1]

...but I did feel chemistry between Chakotay and Seven. I thought they made a cute couple.


J.

Me too. Maybe that's why the last-minute pairing just doesn't bother me. Why should it? I like both characters quite a bit. I like them separately or together. No big deal either way.

 

[exodus]

Does anybody think the Chakotay/Seven romance was just created as a factor to give Janeway more of a need to get them home early to win him back?

Get home early frees her up, Does anybody think Chakotay might change his mind knowing she's now available?

 

[kimc]

Does anybody think Chakotay might change his mind knowing she's now available?

Do a Google search on J/C fanfiction Endgame and you'll get an answer to that.

 

[Tachyon]

Of course Chakotay would change his mind. The minute he realizes that Janeway would be available, and possibly even interested finally having him, throws Borgette out of the picture quicker than the impulse engines cool down.

I didn't watch the show very often, but I did feel chemistry between Chakotay and Seven. I thought they made a cute couple.


J.

You wounded me, J.

 

[Amaris]

Me too. Maybe that's why the last-minute pairing just doesn't bother me. Why should it? I like both characters quite a bit. I like them separately or together. No big deal either way.

Exactly. To me, they hit it right off.

You wounded me, J.

Oh don't worry. How about a Harry Kim/Tom Paris ship
No, I kid, I kid.

J.

 

[Mareika]

...but I did feel chemistry between Chakotay and Seven. I thought they made a cute couple.


J.

Me too. [...] I like them separately or together. [...]

I feel the same. But I also like J/C.

 

[teya]

Of course Chakotay would change his mind. The minute he realizes that Janeway would be available, and possibly even interested finally having him, throws Borgette out of the picture quicker than the impulse engines cool down.

Yeah, that would certainly show how adult he is at relationships...

"Oh, wait! I've always really wanted her, so fuck your feelings, who cares about you?"

That's not the Chakotay who was presented to us for 7 years and why would Janeway even want such a guy?

 

[kimc]

^ I'm sure he'd be nice about it. Besides, doesn't Seven deserve to be a guy's first choice?

 

[teya]

^ I'm sure he'd be nice about it. Besides, doesn't Seven deserve to be a guy's first choice?

Depends on how you want to look at "first choice."

Chakotay clearly had something for Janeway. She turned him down. Personally, I think it's ridiculous to think that a psychologically healthy individual would pine away for 7 years. In real life, you get over it.

So, at the time they got together, Seven was Chakotay's first choice.

BTW, there is no nice way to say, "Okay, I was with you because I couldn't be with her, but now I can be, so sayonara."

Been on the receiving end of that, and quite frankly, she got what she deserved--a prick.

 

[AuntKate]

^ I'm sure he'd be nice about it. Besides, doesn't Seven deserve to be a guy's first choice?

I think that if he has any questions about a relationship with Janeway, he would have to resolve that before he follows through on anything with another woman, including Seven.

 

[exodus]

^ I'm sure he'd be nice about it. Besides, doesn't Seven deserve to be a guy's first choice?

Depends on how you want to look at "first choice."

Chakotay clearly had something for Janeway. She turned him down. Personally, I think it's ridiculous to think that a psychologically healthy individual would pine away for 7 years. In real life, you get over it.

So, at the time they got together, Seven was Chakotay's first choice.

BTW, there is no nice way to say, "Okay, I was with you because I couldn't be with her, but now I can be, so sayonara."

Been on the receiving end of that, and quite frankly, she got what she deserved--a prick.

Word!

For most men hearing the word "good friend" coming for a women they're interersted in is the kiss of death in further persuing that type of relationship.

 

[teya]

^ I'm sure he'd be nice about it. Besides, doesn't Seven deserve to be a guy's first choice?

Depends on how you want to look at "first choice."

Chakotay clearly had something for Janeway. She turned him down. Personally, I think it's ridiculous to think that a psychologically healthy individual would pine away for 7 years. In real life, you get over it.

So, at the time they got together, Seven was Chakotay's first choice.

BTW, there is no nice way to say, "Okay, I was with you because I couldn't be with her, but now I can be, so sayonara."

Been on the receiving end of that, and quite frankly, she got what she deserved--a prick.

Word!

For most men hearing the word "good friend" coming for a women they're interersted in is the kiss of death in further persuing that type of relationship.

As it is intended--assuming said woman isn't simply a tease.

And there is a big difference between a flirt and a tease. Janeway's a flirt. She's never been shown to be a tease.