One More Slow Dance...
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Okay... a question for all you guys about the bridge exterior/interior match-up...
The "turbolift nub" at the end of the bridge dome... do you all generally agree that this is physically the housing for the actual turbolift on the bridge itself, or do you think it could be some sort of "airlock", and that the turbolift itself is within the bridge dome?
The "turbolift nub" at the end of the bridge dome... do you all generally agree that this is physically the housing for the actual turbolift on the bridge itself, or do you think it could be some sort of "airlock", and that the turbolift itself is within the bridge dome?
I have one... what is with the title of the thread! If I hadn't accidentally clicked on it, I wouldn't have known what was inside.
You should have called it totally awesome plans or something like that.
I can tell you what was planned... but because the set was modular, the final arrangement was effected by the director of photography.
The turbolift shaft and the diameter of the bridge dome were originally intended to be the reference for the audience in judging the size of the Enterprise. Of course Roddenberry also asked for windows on the models, so there were additional reference points by the time everything went before the cameras, but originally the bridge exterior was design to reflect the bridge interior.
But it is your plans, so you have to make the final choice. More importantly, it isn't the Enterprise, so you have a ton of additional freedom.
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Thank you, Shaw... glad you popped in! I think I have an idea of the right size to use to fit the bridge into the dome, so I will do a few tests with that tonight. I am finding out that even with the plans for the inside of the Enterprise bridge, every fan's take varies a bit... so I'm having to use a best guess a lot of times, to fill in the rough areas, and make them blend.
I am rethinking the way I do these plans... I think I have been going about this the wrong way... basically using the existing Surya plans as a direct reference... and so far, as you can see from the replies in this thread... it produces a lot of problems with my plans. So... I am taking a different approach...
Starting with the bridge module, I am going to redraw all the "parts" that make the ship, EXCLUDING the saucer section itself... so for instance, so far I have the Sinclair bridge, and I will have the Casimiro warp nacelles, the original Surya warp pylons, the Sinclair Lower saucer, etc... that way all the "parts" are set, and I don't have to worry about reconciling them on the spot. This will allow me to basically "assemble" the plans in much the same way as a model kit, so that then all there is left for me to is work on the saucer section on its own, and then slide that into place, so that everything will fit smoothly. This will also allow me to "test" various approaches of the saucer shelf arch angle, without affecting any other parts, as they'll all be locked in their own individual layers.
Once that is done, I will start the final deck plans, beginning with the bridge, and then going down, deck by deck.
Thank you, Shaw... glad you popped in! I think I have an idea of the right size to use to fit the bridge into the dome, so I will do a few tests with that tonight. I am finding out that even with the plans for the inside of the Enterprise bridge, every fan's take varies a bit... so I'm having to use a best guess a lot of times, to fill in the rough areas, and make them blend.
I am rethinking the way I do these plans... I think I have been going about this the wrong way... basically using the existing Surya plans as a direct reference... and so far, as you can see from the replies in this thread... it produces a lot of problems with my plans. So... I am taking a different approach...
Starting with the bridge module, I am going to redraw all the "parts" that make the ship, EXCLUDING the saucer section itself... so for instance, so far I have the Sinclair bridge, and I will have the Casimiro warp nacelles, the original Surya warp pylons, the Sinclair Lower saucer, etc... that way all the "parts" are set, and I don't have to worry about reconciling them on the spot. This will allow me to basically "assemble" the plans in much the same way as a model kit, so that then all there is left for me to is work on the saucer section on its own, and then slide that into place, so that everything will fit smoothly. This will also allow me to "test" various approaches of the saucer shelf arch angle, without affecting any other parts, as they'll all be locked in their own individual layers.
Once that is done, I will start the final deck plans, beginning with the bridge, and then going down, deck by deck.
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If it were up to me I'd have the nub be the top of the tube and the car actually moves forward just enough to clear the tube. The TNGTM mentions direct turbo connection points on the ship for tying into starbases, etc. Imagine a connection to the nub that would allow a lift car to leave the ship and move directly onto the starbase. You'd need some sort of security measure but it would make travel much quicker than having to walk.
Of am of the Zizolfo school of "the car comes up the nub, then moves forward and to port" school. And there's a standby car, which is stored to port.
Or possibly it does that move one deck down. If you look at the nub carefully, there's no way a car could move forward. the tube has no straight-wall section that would allow the car to move forward. It's a full tube that rises up out of the hull. I therefore propose that the visible tube contains machinery. and the lift itself jogs forward on deck 2.
Or possibly it does that move one deck down. If you look at the nub carefully, there's no way a car could move forward. the tube has no straight-wall section that would allow the car to move forward. It's a full tube that rises up out of the hull. I therefore propose that the visible tube contains machinery. and the lift itself jogs forward on deck 2.
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Well, according to TOS Purist, that little nub is meant to be an umbilical connect that allows the turbolift to travel from the ship to a drydock or orbital facility. So... I think I will use both... the turbolift occupying the "nub" will be a dedicated ship-to-shore turbolift, which will be situated directly behind the main bridge turbolift. This way, the bridge is moved in a bit tighter towards the center, and I also have a lift in the nub, without having to re-orient anything on the bridge, design-wise.
Well, according to TOS Purist, that little nub is meant to be an umbilical connect that allows the turbolift to travel from the ship to a drydock or orbital facility. So... I think I will use both... the turbolift occupying the "nub" will be a dedicated ship-to-shore turbolift, which will be situated directly behind the main bridge turbolift. This way, the bridge is moved in a bit tighter towards the center, and I also have a lift in the nub, without having to re-orient anything on the bridge, design-wise.
Okay... here is the revised side and inboard side warp nacelle...
Okay... I think this Bridge can fit, even with the Captain's Office being where it is...
If you figure that a man can fit inside the turbolift, and the turbolift fits snugly inside the nub, then the "roof level" of the nub should theoretically be considered the top of the Bridge, not the top of the bridge bubble, where the bubble meets the bottom of the dome.
I have superimposed the Franz Joseph Bridge over the Surya's Bridge to illustrate. There is room on the outer edges for service corridor, and there can be a second turbolift car behind the primary, for transport to and from a docking facility, since the nub is a connection point.
If you figure that a man can fit inside the turbolift, and the turbolift fits snugly inside the nub, then the "roof level" of the nub should theoretically be considered the top of the Bridge, not the top of the bridge bubble, where the bubble meets the bottom of the dome.
I have superimposed the Franz Joseph Bridge over the Surya's Bridge to illustrate. There is room on the outer edges for service corridor, and there can be a second turbolift car behind the primary, for transport to and from a docking facility, since the nub is a connection point.
Sorry for not picking up on this thread sooner... like David, I never suspected a thread by this title to be about one of my ship designs. I've been so interested in Vektor's work on my Kiaga and Polaris designs of late that I never thought anyone might dredge up this old girl. Anyhow, if you're looking for how I see the ship...
If you are drawing earlier Surya builds as we depicted them in Ships of the Star Fleet, you've got the bridge all wrong. That is much closer to the "Franz Joseph" arrangement I depicted in the Avenger Class Plans' views of Surya. There would be at least two blocks of these ships built-- one that is based closely on the TOS architecture, and one that is based on the FJ architecture. The bridge layout for the earlier, Constitution-based, "TOS-lookin' " version would be much closer to my fleshing out of Matt Jefferies' inboard profile of 1701:
In this arrangement the dome is smaller, and FJ's corridor around the bridge becomes a sensor operations platform a half level above and around, and a corridor (and several operations areas, including phaser control from "Balance of Terror") a half level below and around.
If you are drawing earlier Surya builds as we depicted them in Ships of the Star Fleet, you've got the bridge all wrong. That is much closer to the "Franz Joseph" arrangement I depicted in the Avenger Class Plans' views of Surya. There would be at least two blocks of these ships built-- one that is based closely on the TOS architecture, and one that is based on the FJ architecture. The bridge layout for the earlier, Constitution-based, "TOS-lookin' " version would be much closer to my fleshing out of Matt Jefferies' inboard profile of 1701:
In this arrangement the dome is smaller, and FJ's corridor around the bridge becomes a sensor operations platform a half level above and around, and a corridor (and several operations areas, including phaser control from "Balance of Terror") a half level below and around.
The view of the nacelle in my 1701 illustration is also a bit closer to the TOS nacelle, though the earlier Suryas as modified during the TOS-era would have nacelles that are a little different from what was shown on the 11 foot model. I'd have to go back and check, but I know there are several details unique to that Surya nacelle as depicted in SotSF (Volume One) that were meant to be adaptations to that ship's shape and specific mission profile.
http://home.comcast.net/~aridas/1701 cutaway final2.png
http://home.comcast.net/~aridas/1701 cutaway final2.png
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Hey, thanks for posting that! Okay... what you drew for your Bridge IS actually what I had in mind... I just did not know how to properly visualize it, and I did not know what the little "details" would be in the empty spaces between the Bridge edge and the walls of the Bridge module... but the way your Bridge is is in fact what I have in mind, in terms of deck depth and orientation.
Hey, thanks for posting that! Okay... what you drew for your Bridge IS actually what I had in mind... I just did not know how to properly visualize it, and I did not know what the little "details" would be in the empty spaces between the Bridge edge and the walls of the Bridge module... but the way your Bridge is is in fact what I have in mind, in terms of deck depth and orientation.
See... THIS is why I call this thread a slow dance... because that's what this will be... dancing around the same ship slowly, over and over again, lol... while I wait for new references to be sent to me, I have once again started a revision of the saucer section...
Here's a question for you guys... on the model of the TOS Enterprise, there are some very small numbers all along the secondary hull. TOS Purist says that these are length markings, but regardless, why are they ONLY on the secondary hull, and not also on the saucer rim or nacelles?
Okay... here is a new top profile, with a new saucer section, and the new warp nacelles. I simplified it by getting rid of the hull panel lines to make it "TOS-smooth", and I'm pretty happy with it now, though I may eventually tweak it a bit more. Click link for full-size version, since it's too big to post here...
http://img121.imageshack.us/img121/141/top1c.gif
http://img121.imageshack.us/img121/141/top1c.gif
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Thanks.
Here is the "final" of the TOS-smooth version, with a few tweaks and markings added...
http://img821.imageshack.us/img821/676/geminitoptos.gif
Thanks.
Here is the "final" of the TOS-smooth version, with a few tweaks and markings added...http://img821.imageshack.us/img821/676/geminitoptos.gif
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