OMG! B&B have gone MAD!!! BORG!!!

[its_a_clock]

i think everyone is overreacting. i was much more angered by the ferengi episod than this one. it actually makes sense, the borg did crash--and as long as the borg aren't EVER on ENT again, and as long as starfleet gains no knowlege on them...i think we'll be ok.

the sky ain't falling...yet.

 

[Kira's Mom]

If they do it well...if not, I'll stop watching. I am so sick of the damn Borg. It's why I stopped watching Voyager.

 

[AlexR]

Posted by I am not Spock:
You better believe we're overreacting!

Company, fix bayonets!

I want Berman's and Braga's head mounted on a pike!

You're unhappy about the idea? Okay.

I most humbly suggest that we all write letters, and do it right now. Write to the studio execs and UPN. Do not send e-mail. Use US Post letters. Be polite and encouraging about the series, but make it completely clear that you feel the Borg are a bad idea.

Can do? Good. Do it.

Best,
Alex

 

[T'Bonz]

Posted by Pknuts:
Great. Just great

Exactly my attitude.

Why the fuck do they feel the need to keep drawing on inappropriate for the time frame aliens (such as Ferengi, Borg, etc.)?

I'd prefer they use their imaginations and have either new aliens, or TOS appropriate ones.

Borg...gack. I'm sick to death of Borg.

What next? Seven of Mary Sue? Bleh. Bleh and again Bleh.

 

[Guest]

Eh, I'll give it a shot. Even most of the complainers are admitting that the plot sounds interesting, doesn't screw with continuity overmuch....It's risky, yes, but then weren't we complaining that Ent wasn't taking enough risks? If they use this as a kernel to write a good ep around, then the fact that they risked fan annoyance with the B-word would be a plus.

(Of course, they could screw it up horribly, too. That is the definition of risk. At this point, they have little to lose, though.)

 

[PeeWee's USS Lollipop]

Posted by AlexR:

I most humbly suggest that we all write letters, and do it right now. Write to the studio execs and UPN. Do not send e-mail. Use US Post letters. Be polite and encouraging about the series, but make it completely clear that you feel the Borg are a bad idea.

Can do? Good. Do it.

Best,
Alex

I'll second that.
Same goes when writing for wanting the series quality,emotional literacy, characterization and story structure improved.

 

[factory]

Posted by T'Bonz:Borg...gack.

Borg - on gak!!?! Fan-freakin'-tastic!!

 

[Sliding Dragon]

Oh, please.

Posted by candida:

Can we examine that last confident statement in the light of the demise of Columbia please ?

Sure, because technology from the 1970s is just as durable as alien technology from the late 2370s.

 

[Sliding Dragon]

I'll award my self the Icon Cup

Am I seriously the only one here who thinks that an entirely Earth-based episode featuring none of the regulars and one or two recurring ancillary characters sounds just a little bit fishy?

Boobs.

 

[yamamoto]

The fact is Enterprise presented them with possibly to tell the tale of the dramatic moments of trek history, the founding of the federation and the first Earth-Romulan War. You cannot get much more dramatic, more sweeping, or more far reaching than that.

Instead, they choose to focus on a stupid temporal cold war uberplot and throw in species, Ferengi, Borg, and etc. that the Federation wouldn't encounter for years. The great sweeping arc of the federation's founding is shunted off and ignored.

It is like setting a story in the political turmoil of the 1930s and insisting on telling the story of the end of the Cold War and the American space program. It is stupid, it is lazy, and it lacks imagination.

Good god. I was 8 the first time I saw the Borg and I couldn't sleep for a few nights I had such heebie-jeebies. Now they are just another Monster of the Week, they don't inspire much of anything, except cringing memories of batmobile armor on Voyager...

Ugh. They need to get real writers on that show ASAP.

 

[Commander Benjamin]

There's no depressed smiley (ironic) on this BBS... Cuz that would be my reaction after hearing this piece of news. I like ENT and VOY despite of many people's harsh crits of them and of the two producers but now I might need to change my view. This is a big universe, why keep bringing the Borg? We all want to see some old alien faces from TOS. They are like new aliens to the younger group of audience like me who hasn't seen much of TOS!

Argh...

 

[Guest]

I want to like ENTERPRISE, I really do. In my heart of hearts, I feel that I (like many of you) am a REAL Trekker. I understand that the whole premise for the show was to paint what the future could be: one of hope and prosperity. Granted, the early centuries of Starfleet and pre-UFP will be rocky, but what about the original premise of the show?

Now, I'm not angry, I am sad. I will give this season one last look. If it keeps going Further on the Downward Spiral, then that's it.

As for B&B, why is Paramount allowing 13-year olds (mentally) to run their biggest FLAGSHIP SHOW? To me that seems counterintuitive. I would think that they would see that there is a definite problem. Who, usually, is the first to go if a series is doing bad? The producers! They bring someone fresh in!

I could go on-and-on. I'm sure we all could. I'll end with this: I had faith until I saw NEM. Now I'll give it one last look, then The Big Goodbye.

 

[Guest]

Posted by yamamoto:
The fact is Enterprise presented them with possibly to tell the tale of the dramatic moments of trek history, the founding of the federation and the first Earth-Romulan War. You cannot get much more dramatic, more sweeping, or more far reaching than that.

Instead, they choose to focus on a stupid temporal cold war uberplot...

INSTEAD??

Nuh uh. The TCW eps have been sparse, and they HAVE focused on the founding of the Federation.

For god's sake, LAST WEEK'S EPISODE!!

HELLO!?!?!

 

[broberfett]

Most of you will eat it and like it.

 

[Malleus]

Posted by Diacanu:

INSTEAD??

Nuh uh. The TCW eps have been sparse, and they HAVE focused on the founding of the Federation.

For god's sake, LAST WEEK'S EPISODE!!

HELLO!?!?!

It's not even a story arc... it's more like a recurring theme a la TNG's Q.

 

[Flake]

Erm, to those people claiming Picard wouldnt have left any debris, clearly he missed a big peice or this episode wouldnt exist - so accept it

If it aint on screen it aint canon.

 

[Nick_Ryder]

Yeah... I think, they're taking the Founding of the Federation thing at a decent pace... remember, the UN didn't form until after WW2... and there hasn't been a major battle to incite the various powers to ally themselves yet... yet.

Also in First Contact the Borg did explode over Earth, so really... it makes sense they would find debris somewhere. So, this answers the question about "what happened to the borg post FC" They screwed with history in FC... why not show the results? Besides, I doubt we'd hear the word "Borg"...

 

[yamamoto]

How many shows have ben done on the founding of the federation? The expansion of the alliance between the Vulcans and Terra? Three Ic an think of. If youc omapre that with the Temporal Cold War eps the numbers aren't even close to parity. The Cold War wins hands down.

The fact is there is no greater drama than the halting steps of humanity into a greater galatic community. The races that are the backbone of the federation were once disperate worlds that distrusted and feared each other. This is was supposed to be the story of how all that becames the greatest force for freedom and justice (most of the time) in the Alpha Quadrant.

Instead we get "future guy" crap along with the "Ferengi take over the ship" episode? Please.

All you need to know is that Archer spends more time in the 29th century than in his own to realize that this show is trading in it presime for some gold plated crap. It looks nice but it is what it is.

Go watch stargate sg-1 for something funny, inteligent, and well written. Star Trek just isn't it any more.

 

[yamamoto]

As for the UN pst WWII build-up, that was the point I was making above, the years leading up to and the years of the second world war are some of the most fascinating in human history.

Enterprise does not however choose to focus on those types of evets or build-up. Rather it focuses on the "future battle" between faceless guy and "furuter good-guys." In essence this reduces our characters to pawns, important ones, but pawns none-the-less. This tends to kill their potential because they are no the master of the events around them. They do nothing without help or support from a era they don't understand and technology that they do not comprehend.

Yup, these are important folks alright...

If they wanted to tell this story they should have set it in the 29th Century, and then told the story in ALL eras of trek, rather than limting the story possibilites by grounding us in one.

It is just an f'ed way to look at thing they have, and it kills the dramatic possibility of the story.

 

[Misfit Toy]

Shhh...listen! I hear 30+ year old comments floating thru the ether...

"What the hell? Star Trek is gonna have an episode with a Greek God in it? Don't they know those gods were just a myth? This will ruin the show!"
"Space hippies?? This means WAR!!"
"Klingons AGAIN? Why must they rehash old shows AGAIN? Don't they have any original thoughts at all?"
"Oh great. ANOTHER hyper-intelligent energy species. Just wonderful. Kill me now."

Everything old is new again...