OMG! B&B have gone MAD!!! BORG!!!
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BINGO! Given B&B's track record, it's no surprise they're doing a Borg episode.
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I was skeptical at first, but when I read the synopsis closely and thought about the connection with "First Contact," it seems more and more likely that it could actually be a pretty cool episode if they do a particularly stellar job with the writing. That remains to be seen. We've seen some really, really great and well-written episodes lately, but there's also been some dreck, so it could go either way.
Plus, I bet it will get huge ratings. Which is the point, of course.
And in the meantime, it's extremely funny to watch the bashers going apoplectic over this. You'd think the world had ended!
Plus, I bet it will get huge ratings. Which is the point, of course.
And in the meantime, it's extremely funny to watch the bashers going apoplectic over this. You'd think the world had ended!
People here know that I like 'Enterprise' (although I ALSO believe B&B should STOP writing scripts and stick to Producing exclusively); HOWEVER I DO think this is a BAD idea. That said, given that this seems an Earth-based episode, it may end up that the three who discover the wreckage never get to report or something (thus keeping continuity intact). But, given the past record of B&B, I'm not hopeful.
I guess it just goes to show they are aware of the ratings and are willing to resort to stunts to raise sagging ratings. (big surprise).
Also, in ST:FC, there didn't look to be much 'wreckage' left of the Borg Sphere, so if there is a full, essentially intact Sphere, it'll strain 'suspension of disbelief' to the breaking point. In that regard, I'll be curious to see just how much wreckage is there to be discovered.
However, I do feel this is something they should have just left ALONE. Detailed info of the Borg should not be discovered during the 22nd certury AT ALL. (imo)
I guess it just goes to show they are aware of the ratings and are willing to resort to stunts to raise sagging ratings. (big surprise).
Also, in ST:FC, there didn't look to be much 'wreckage' left of the Borg Sphere, so if there is a full, essentially intact Sphere, it'll strain 'suspension of disbelief' to the breaking point. In that regard, I'll be curious to see just how much wreckage is there to be discovered.
However, I do feel this is something they should have just left ALONE. Detailed info of the Borg should not be discovered during the 22nd certury AT ALL. (imo)
Gusher mad now!!
UPN execs will do anything for ratings now. Amazing how DS9 stood on its own without the Borg
It just has.
Damnit, a great Enterprise episode, and B&B piss all the good karma from it away. It's like watching Apollo 11 land on the moon, and then finding out the next day that the moon exploded.
I posted this in the TNG forum when someone said Q-who was written in vain...seems appropriate here to!
At first when I read the trekweb article about this episode. I was just as livid as many on these boards. But, as I sat back and thought over the Borg events we've seen in canonized tv series. This might actually work and make legitimate sense in the timeline. We know now that Starfleet knew of the Borg's existance long before the events of "Q-Who". Admiral Hansen said in TBOBW that we knew they were coming for some time now. At the time it seemed like a year...maybe they knew long, long before then.
For assumptions sake...let's say back in the 21st century a federation starship from the future shot down a borg cube right on earth's front-door step. Let's say before that ship goes back in time they clean up all evidence of this ship, or so they think.
100 years later this wreckage is discovered a technologicaly advanced humanoid. Science fools around with it...disastorous results. Right now we don't know what happens, assuming it's handled right and knowledged of this super race is classified in Starfleet...life goes on.
Time passes and another ship named Enterprise...that the Enterprise-B picks up Al-aurian refugees who tell them a story of the borg. Starfleet up and ups cross-refernce this story with Federation archives. Boom...they come up with this forgotten file from the 22nd century of some enhanced super-beigns. They blow the dust off the file, compare and contrast...come to the conclusion it's the Borg. They initiate highly classifed research into these Borg beings.
After years of speculation, second hand reports, and rumor...starfleet decides it needs first hand information. It launches the Raven in secrecy to find some anseweres. Raven is never heard from again. The loss of the ship is covered up. The borg are still a highly classified seceret.
Until...the events of Q-who to which Starfleet can no longer deny their existence. Nobody comes out and says oh yeah...we've know about them for 200 years...but just go along with the current knowledge and start preparing for the day the borg come.
If...and A BIG IF B&B do this correctly it could make borg continuity flow like melting snow down the street. *crosses fingers* Hope they do it right!
At first when I read the trekweb article about this episode. I was just as livid as many on these boards. But, as I sat back and thought over the Borg events we've seen in canonized tv series. This might actually work and make legitimate sense in the timeline. We know now that Starfleet knew of the Borg's existance long before the events of "Q-Who". Admiral Hansen said in TBOBW that we knew they were coming for some time now. At the time it seemed like a year...maybe they knew long, long before then.
For assumptions sake...let's say back in the 21st century a federation starship from the future shot down a borg cube right on earth's front-door step. Let's say before that ship goes back in time they clean up all evidence of this ship, or so they think.
100 years later this wreckage is discovered a technologicaly advanced humanoid. Science fools around with it...disastorous results. Right now we don't know what happens, assuming it's handled right and knowledged of this super race is classified in Starfleet...life goes on.
Time passes and another ship named Enterprise...that the Enterprise-B picks up Al-aurian refugees who tell them a story of the borg. Starfleet up and ups cross-refernce this story with Federation archives. Boom...they come up with this forgotten file from the 22nd century of some enhanced super-beigns. They blow the dust off the file, compare and contrast...come to the conclusion it's the Borg. They initiate highly classifed research into these Borg beings.
After years of speculation, second hand reports, and rumor...starfleet decides it needs first hand information. It launches the Raven in secrecy to find some anseweres. Raven is never heard from again. The loss of the ship is covered up. The borg are still a highly classified seceret.
Until...the events of Q-who to which Starfleet can no longer deny their existence. Nobody comes out and says oh yeah...we've know about them for 200 years...but just go along with the current knowledge and start preparing for the day the borg come.
If...and A BIG IF B&B do this correctly it could make borg continuity flow like melting snow down the street. *crosses fingers* Hope they do it right!
Y'know, I'm beginning to think they could show you 43 minutes of paint drying on a wall, and if it had 'Enterprise' slapped at the front, you'd gush about what a cool episode it was.
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I am pissed..
very very very pissed.
very very very pissed.
So maybe the Q, with his mad-on for Guinan, neglected to mention this to Picard?
I think this episode will indeed fill in some of the missing links left by the events of First Contact. And just because they find pieces of a Borg cube and a few drones that doesn't mean we're going to have cubes appear and attempt to assimilate Enterprise, et al.
People are just panicking. It's just a TV show, folks.
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A lot of people are obviously frustrated, upset and angered by the possibility of the Borg appearing on "Enterprise", particularly so early in the show's run. But how can you possibly be surprised by the news?
Let's take a look at the situation here. "Enterprise" is a sinking ship. It's lost viewers faster than even "Voyager." The ratings are low. UPN is suffering quite a bit this season, and the network is placing the bulk of the blame on the Trek series. UPN wants the show to improve. They'll do whatever it takes to get those numbers higher. Rick Berman and Brannon Braga are the executive producers, which means that the men in charge of running the show are idiots. They have no freakin' clue how to increase the ratings. Their nifty little Temporal Cold War isn't going to be enough. And they can't exactly write an episode where T'Pol runs around the ship naked. They could... but it's network TV. So there goes that plan. What's left? The Borg.
For some reason, Berman thought that the Borg would solve all the problems for "Voyager." And no doubt the ratings probably did go up when they featured them, like in "Scorpion" or "Dark Frontier". So, naturally, he assumes that the Borg are the best way to guarantee higher ratings. He doesn't have an original or creative brain cell left in his head. UPN is probably banging on his door asking for a big stunt event to up the ratings. So he just goes with the Borg yet again.
Don't be surpised if we see more of the Borg down the road, too. Screw continuity. Screw originality. If they think that the Borg are the answer to the ratings problem, they will overuse them to death, just like they did before. I think it's quite obvious that Rick Berman is not a man that learns from his mistakes.
Let's take a look at the situation here. "Enterprise" is a sinking ship. It's lost viewers faster than even "Voyager." The ratings are low. UPN is suffering quite a bit this season, and the network is placing the bulk of the blame on the Trek series. UPN wants the show to improve. They'll do whatever it takes to get those numbers higher. Rick Berman and Brannon Braga are the executive producers, which means that the men in charge of running the show are idiots. They have no freakin' clue how to increase the ratings. Their nifty little Temporal Cold War isn't going to be enough. And they can't exactly write an episode where T'Pol runs around the ship naked. They could... but it's network TV. So there goes that plan. What's left? The Borg.
For some reason, Berman thought that the Borg would solve all the problems for "Voyager." And no doubt the ratings probably did go up when they featured them, like in "Scorpion" or "Dark Frontier". So, naturally, he assumes that the Borg are the best way to guarantee higher ratings. He doesn't have an original or creative brain cell left in his head. UPN is probably banging on his door asking for a big stunt event to up the ratings. So he just goes with the Borg yet again.
Don't be surpised if we see more of the Borg down the road, too. Screw continuity. Screw originality. If they think that the Borg are the answer to the ratings problem, they will overuse them to death, just like they did before. I think it's quite obvious that Rick Berman is not a man that learns from his mistakes.
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I'm kinda looking forward to this actually. Enterprise needs a shake-up. If it takes the Borg then so be it. The First Contact related plot is well conceived. Kudos to the writers. Speaking of which, I hope the same scribes of "Future Tense" pen "Regeneration". They seem to know what they're doing. Maybe the Borg can get involved in the Temporal Cold War now? After all, they've had time travel since at least the 24th century. So my advice to everyone is relax. It's not like B&B are messing up 'the masterpiece that is Enterprise'. Standouts like "The Andorian Incident", "Shuttle Pod One", and "Future Tense" aren't enough. It's good to see TPTB are at least experimenting with different things, because seasons full of "Unexpected"s and "Terra Nova"s aren't gonna cut it. It can only get better...
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I agree, but they're going to have to be reeeeaally careful.
I'll have to watch the episode to see if we dodge the continuity bullet.
Man, they shouldn't have even risked this though.
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