OMG! B&B have gone MAD!!! BORG!!!

[yamamoto]

These are not 30 year old complaints floating through the ether. In fact, these are comments of people looking for a focus, or at least an attempt to stay true to the premise of the damn show.

TOS was occassionally difference of degrees and not of kinds in its story lines. At least, however, it stayed true to its premise. A ship exploring the galaxy, with a captain and a crew that controled its own fate though their own passion, ingenuity, and skill.

Now, we have a captain running to the sealed off crew quarters to get the "secret doohickey" that shows him the plans of the enemy ship so that he can go on the mission for the "future goods guys"

Explain to me again how this is a story about the enterprise agian?

 

[darkshadow0001]

How about this. Nobody watch that episode at all and see how will the ratings go for that episode and maybe the show will get cancelled

 

[23skidoo]

Re: I'll award my self the Icon Cup

Posted by Sliding Dragon:
Am I seriously the only one here who thinks that an entirely Earth-based episode featuring none of the regulars and one or two recurring ancillary characters sounds just a little bit fishy?

Boobs.

Actually, all we have is the teaser and maybe first act. Reminds me of the format of some of the Barclay episodes on Voyager. But unless this is going to be a break-format episode taking place without the ENT crew, there has to be some link.

Cheers

Alex

 

[Glyphus Scintillon]

El'Aurian Refugee's? 2294? Generations? Enterprise-B?

THAT is how they knew of the Borg. They learned from first hand victims of a species called the Borg, who kidnapped members of other races, where very powerful, et cetera. Between 2295 and the 2350's -- when the Hansen's left -- they had ample time to gather more tactical data, and keep it classified to the highest levels of Starfleet and Starfleet Xenobiology. The only reason in 2364 the Borg became a "threat" was the first known encounter between a Fed ship and them, in which they tried to destroy us. This took them from "Curious hostiles who need to be researched" to "ENEMIES"

Damn you for making this make sense!!

 

[General Kang]

Posted by darkshadow0001:
How about this. Nobody watch that episode at all and see how will the ratings go for that episode and maybe the show will get cancelled

Ahh, isn't this always how us internet junkies think about the TV shows we watch? I was once like this... had visions about ME writing what would be THE great Star Trek movie/episode/series... the "Let's just all boycott and hope it gets cancelled so that in a couple of years they will come to me and ask me joe nobody to be the lead writer (or maybe creative consultant) on a new trek series that I designed, I shepherded, etc...

Man, if Enterprise goes down, with Nemesis tanking, it will be a LONG LONG time before we get more Trek, if ever. LONG TIME IF EVER. If you are comfy with those words, then so be it... if not, I encourage you all to be a little more open-minded.

 

[Flake]

Posted by General Kang:

Posted by darkshadow0001:
How about this. Nobody watch that episode at all and see how will the ratings go for that episode and maybe the show will get cancelled

Ahh, isn't this always how us internet junkies think about the TV shows we watch? I was once like this... had visions about ME writing what would be THE great Star Trek movie/episode/series... the "Let's just all boycott and hope it gets cancelled so that in a couple of years they will come to me and ask me joe nobody to be the lead writer (or maybe creative consultant) on a new trek series that I designed, I shepherded, etc...

Man, if Enterprise goes down, with Nemesis tanking, it will be a LONG LONG time before we get more Trek, if ever. LONG TIME IF EVER. If you are comfy with those words, then so be it... if not, I encourage you all to be a little more open-minded.

It wouldnt be all that bad, we have 600 episodes and films to keep us busy whilst we wait Imagine being a fan in the 70s!

 

[Corran Horn]

Posted by darkshadow0001:
How about this. Nobody watch that episode at all and see how will the ratings go for that episode and maybe the show will get cancelled

Just as with 'Acquisition' people will complain but this episode will get very good ratings. (comparatively speaking)

 

[Misfit Toy]

Posted by yamamoto:
These are not 30 year old complaints floating through the ether. In fact, these are comments of people looking for a focus, or at least an attempt to stay true to the premise of the damn show.
<SNIP>
Explain to me again how this is a story about the enterprise agian?

Complaints are complaints. People have cricticized Star Trek, TNG, DS9, Voyager and Enterprise for (among other things) poor premises, inaccurate science, rehashed plots, unoriginal thinking, poor continuity, etc. My post was attempting to point out that the same types of complaints have been made for 30+ years.

BTW, only having stories about the ship would be extremely restrictive and boring, don't you think?

 

[Wondel]

Posted by AlphaMan:
I'll admit that Regeneration sounds very good, but that's not the point, like I said. If Regeneration is a one time Borg pop, then I can live with it.

I'd agree, AlphaMan, as a one off follow up FC it could be a great episode. If they introduce the borg as recurring villians, though, then for me Enterprise will have well and truely jumped a school of sharks.

I'll keep an open mind until I see the episode.

 

[Guest]

I think this just shows how desperate those two idiots are becoming. They KNOW they have ruined Star Trek, Enterprises' ratings falling into the toilet prove it.

 

[pookha]

Posted by Wondel:

Posted by AlphaMan:
I'll admit that Regeneration sounds very good, but that's not the point, like I said. If Regeneration is a one time Borg pop, then I can live with it.

I'd agree, AlphaMan, as a one off follow up FC it could be a great episode. If they introduce the borg as recurring villians, though, then for me Enterprise will have well and truely jumped a school of sharks.

I'll keep an open mind until I see the episode.

I agree.. lets see what they do with the show..
if it does lead to multiple appearances of the borg then yeah that is a problem.

but a one time thing to tie up some lose ends is different.

and no i wouldnt be suprised if you only see a glimpse of enterprise as the transport goes by..

 

[PKerr]

you know you folks can try a rationalize it all you want, the Borg should Never! EVER! be on ENT. Picard and crew would not have left a speck of Borg technology behind, not ever. but you people are gonna talk yourself into thinking..well it's O.K. if they do it right or it's O.K. if it's one episode or they disappear or nobody says anything or they don't say their name or they hit the reset button or it's just a dream...WAKE UP!!!! B&B are going to keep feeding you this SHIT as long as you keep eating it. I for one am done if this turns out to be true..ya know they do (FINALLY) a good and I mean GOOD episode last night and then pull this shit. well you can count one less in the few million that watch it and I'm quite sure I'm not the only one.

 

[Saul]

Yeah I agree I don't believe Picard and crew would have left any trace of the borg, that would be really careless, i'm sure they would have cleaned up any mess.

Am I surprised B&B did this... no

I think everyone is going to be watching this when it gets shown.

 

[Tripped Trucker XIII]

Posted by PKerr:
you know you folks can try a rationalize it all you want, the Borg should Never! EVER! be on ENT. Picard and crew would not have left a speck of Borg technology behind, not ever. ....

Thousands of years ago, the ancient Egyptians invented the BATTERY, with the purpose of plating gold and silver on to other, less precious metals like copper and perhaps even brass. That knowledge was lost until just 204 years ago when some fella named Alessandro VOLTA 'invented' it again (or was it the Energizer bunny?) ...

Knowledge can be lost, suppressed or twisted out of context.

Why you think EARTH rise up from a wee underdog without a clue about Warp Drive to be one of the most powerful race only a few centuries later? Cause we got plenty of help and shortcuts. Pre-Picardian Borg tech might have something to do with Earth's success too.

 

[PKerr]

Posted by Tripped Trucker XIII:

Posted by PKerr:
you know you folks can try a rationalize it all you want, the Borg should Never! EVER! be on ENT. Picard and crew would not have left a speck of Borg technology behind, not ever. ....

Thousands of years ago, the ancient Egyptians invented the BATTERY, with the purpose of plating gold and silver on to other, less precious metals like copper and perhaps even brass. That knowledge was lost until just 204 years ago when some fella named Alessandro VOLTA 'invented' it again (or was it the Energizer bunny?) ...

Knowledge can be lost, suppressed or twisted out of context.

Why you think EARTH rise up from a wee underdog without a clue about Warp Drive to be one of the most powerful race only a few centuries later? Cause we got plenty of help and shortcuts. Pre-Picardian Borg tech might have something to do with Earth's success too.

yeah.. O.K. .... Whatever...

 

[Guest]

Posted by PKerr:
yeah.. O.K. .... Whatever...

The sound of someone losing the debate utterly.

 

[yamamoto]

I wasn't arguing that the stories should only revolve around the ship. I was arguing that the stories should revolve around the characters in the damn show.

If you make them an appendage--although a vital one--of the temporal cold war this hollows them out. They become far less masters of their own destiny, and more of errand boys for others, i.e. "good future guys."

THe show shouyld be about the enterprise's crew and its central role in consturction of the federation and the victory in the first Romulan War. You cannot get more dramatic and more meaningful than this story in the Trek Universe.

In its place we are getting stories about the "temporal Cold War" and random aliens from the 24th Century that don't belong in the context they are being forced into.

When I say "how is this a show about the Enterprise?" I mean it in the extendended senese of the ship, its people, and its mission. The weight of the show should rest there, not on some uberplot of "temporal proportions" where this is just one battlefield of many.

 

[darkshadow0001]

Posted by General Kang:
Ahh, isn't this always how us internet junkies think about the TV shows we watch? I was once like this... had visions about ME writing what would be THE great Star Trek movie/episode/series... the "Let's just all boycott and hope it gets cancelled so that in a couple of years they will come to me and ask me joe nobody to be the lead writer (or maybe creative consultant) on a new trek series that I designed, I shepherded, etc...

Man, if Enterprise goes down, with Nemesis tanking, it will be a LONG LONG time before we get more Trek, if ever. LONG TIME IF EVER. If you are comfy with those words, then so be it... if not, I encourage you all to be a little more open-minded.

It's not the fan's fault though. The show should of either remained in the 24th century, or gone further. From what I hear, the idea behind "Regenerations" sounds good, but a new should bring out new species and ideas. But I'm not going to totally bash this episode yet, I'll watch it first. I'm more of a Trek fan then a Trek basher.

 

[PKerr]

Posted by Diacanu:

Posted by PKerr:
yeah.. O.K. .... Whatever...

The sound of someone losing the debate utterly.

more like the sound of someone who doesn't want to argue stupidity. speaking of stupidity...

 

[Borgminister]

Don't you think Daniels and TCW have got to figure into this somehow?

The logistics would be complicated indeed, but potentially fascinating...