Two questions:
Where are B&B?
Would any of you care if I run over them with a bulldozer?
***Sigh***
Where are B&B?
Would any of you care if I run over them with a bulldozer?
***Sigh***
OMG! B&B have gone MAD!!! BORG!!!
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Posted by cooleddie74:
Two questions:
Where are B&B?
Would any of you care if I run over them with a bulldozer?
***Sigh***
First, let's watch the episode. If it's a poor episode, then we can trash it. I hope it'll rock like last week's episode with the Andorians (forget the name already...)
I HOPE it's a false report. A red herring may be annoying for a little while but in the end it amounts to nothing.
B&B had a wonderful chance to explore the Borg in their home quadrant of the galaxy in VOYAGER and blew most of their opportunities,either downright pussifying or not making them malevolent/textured enough. I say:leave the Collective in the Delta Quadrant and let the Borg corpses from FIRST CONTACT have burned up in the atmosphere.
B&B had a wonderful chance to explore the Borg in their home quadrant of the galaxy in VOYAGER and blew most of their opportunities,either downright pussifying or not making them malevolent/textured enough. I say:leave the Collective in the Delta Quadrant and let the Borg corpses from FIRST CONTACT have burned up in the atmosphere.
Yes ... go on. Plese do tell which part of my arguments showed signs of stupidity. The Energizer Rabbit part? That's called humor(or humour)
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If they have to do the Borg then atleast it sounds feasible the way they're doing it.
At last--a genuine continuity violation...
Bring on the Borg!
It's about damn time.
If B&B do this right--it will mean that ENT is a result of an altered timeline that first began in "First Contact" (which reportedly inspired Berman to create ENT as a prequel)...
If you recall, Picard and crew committed total breaches in temporal protocol by introducing themselves to Cochrane and even showing him the Enterprise-E.
If this is the case, NX-01 may have actually been inspired by Cochrane's observations of the Enterprise-E during the development of the Warp 5 engine...
I'd accept absolute continuity violations that mark ENT as a deviation from the original Trek continuity, rather than an over-produced show pretending to be a prequel.
Let the Temporal Cold War, then, be a fight between forces trying to preserve or destroy the original Trek timeline...
Bring on the Borg!
It's about damn time.
If B&B do this right--it will mean that ENT is a result of an altered timeline that first began in "First Contact" (which reportedly inspired Berman to create ENT as a prequel)...
If you recall, Picard and crew committed total breaches in temporal protocol by introducing themselves to Cochrane and even showing him the Enterprise-E.
If this is the case, NX-01 may have actually been inspired by Cochrane's observations of the Enterprise-E during the development of the Warp 5 engine...
I'd accept absolute continuity violations that mark ENT as a deviation from the original Trek continuity, rather than an over-produced show pretending to be a prequel.
Let the Temporal Cold War, then, be a fight between forces trying to preserve or destroy the original Trek timeline...
I am LIVID over this.
For those who want to wait "and see how the episode turns out before passing judgement," I say: This could be the best single episode of Star Trek history and still be horrible news, because it shows the complete lack of commitment the producers have for their supposedly "all new-all different-not your father's Star Trek" show. How pathetic. The f****ing Borg. Done TO DEATH by Voyager. Are B&B so out of touch with the fan base they think that the Borg are exciting news anymore? They must, since they are blatantly whoring themselves and their "product" (its no longer a legacy, not this) for the ratings.
Besides, it does create continuity problems. My God, "Q Who" showed the Borg in all their magnificence, brought over by the omnipotent Q to show the cocky Federation that they "hadn't seen nothin' yet." But then comes the problem of wriggling your way through continuity: first came "Generations" ... many were outraged because the El Aurian refugees from the Borg attack showed up during Kirk's time, before "Q Who"... but of course it was "all in the interest of making good drama," screw continuity, there's always the sheep fans who come to the defense, "well MAYBE the El Aurians didn't brief the Federation on the Borg, MAYBE this GREAT MENACE that was God knows how close (certainly not as far as where Q had flung the Enterprise D) was kept SECRET... then came First Contact and again in the interest of good drama, for one story (and I must admit, it was in the best interest of the movie) decide to create the Borg Queen, which would only make the Borg VULNERABLE. They weren't the mindless, relentless hive anymore, now they had a leader who made many mistakes, concentrated on one person (Data) only to be cheated by him and bring about their downfall, worst of all, when she dies they are ALL destroyed... so much for assimilating any attack and relentlessly coming back, huh? But it was all in the interest of ONE good flick. Then came "Dark Frontier" where they show us that humans were actually studying the Borg some 25 years before "Q Who"... how? why? I'm sure they wriggled their way for some explanation, or some fans did for them, it doesn't matter. But this constant erosion of a great premise (Q Who) and continuity is relentless. Producers put one foot in the door (Generations), and continuity is, little by little, down the drain...
SO NO, I DON'T CARE HOW GOOD THE EPISODE IS, NO LONGER WANT TO FOCUS ON ONE STORY BEING GOOD DRAMA, BUT THE BIG PICTURE, THE ONGOING SAGA MAKING SENSE WHILE IT GOES IN NEW, FRESH DIRECTIONS.
For those who want to wait "and see how the episode turns out before passing judgement," I say: This could be the best single episode of Star Trek history and still be horrible news, because it shows the complete lack of commitment the producers have for their supposedly "all new-all different-not your father's Star Trek" show. How pathetic. The f****ing Borg. Done TO DEATH by Voyager. Are B&B so out of touch with the fan base they think that the Borg are exciting news anymore? They must, since they are blatantly whoring themselves and their "product" (its no longer a legacy, not this) for the ratings.
Besides, it does create continuity problems. My God, "Q Who" showed the Borg in all their magnificence, brought over by the omnipotent Q to show the cocky Federation that they "hadn't seen nothin' yet." But then comes the problem of wriggling your way through continuity: first came "Generations" ... many were outraged because the El Aurian refugees from the Borg attack showed up during Kirk's time, before "Q Who"... but of course it was "all in the interest of making good drama," screw continuity, there's always the sheep fans who come to the defense, "well MAYBE the El Aurians didn't brief the Federation on the Borg, MAYBE this GREAT MENACE that was God knows how close (certainly not as far as where Q had flung the Enterprise D) was kept SECRET... then came First Contact and again in the interest of good drama, for one story (and I must admit, it was in the best interest of the movie) decide to create the Borg Queen, which would only make the Borg VULNERABLE. They weren't the mindless, relentless hive anymore, now they had a leader who made many mistakes, concentrated on one person (Data) only to be cheated by him and bring about their downfall, worst of all, when she dies they are ALL destroyed... so much for assimilating any attack and relentlessly coming back, huh? But it was all in the interest of ONE good flick. Then came "Dark Frontier" where they show us that humans were actually studying the Borg some 25 years before "Q Who"... how? why? I'm sure they wriggled their way for some explanation, or some fans did for them, it doesn't matter. But this constant erosion of a great premise (Q Who) and continuity is relentless. Producers put one foot in the door (Generations), and continuity is, little by little, down the drain...
SO NO, I DON'T CARE HOW GOOD THE EPISODE IS, NO LONGER WANT TO FOCUS ON ONE STORY BEING GOOD DRAMA, BUT THE BIG PICTURE, THE ONGOING SAGA MAKING SENSE WHILE IT GOES IN NEW, FRESH DIRECTIONS.
Re: At last--a genuine continuity violation...
That is why the NX-1 looks so much like the Sov, a long rather then wide saucer section, a long Engineering hull with long swept back nacelles...wait a minute! It looks nothing like the Sov, in fact it looks more like the Akira, which he never got a look at!
I say bring on the Borg! And the Dominion and Jem'Hadar. While we're at it, how about the Cardassians and lets have the Enterprise crew get a good look at the Romulans and see how they look exactly like the Vulcans! How about the Kazon? Or the Wadi? I think that the Enterprise should also find the Bajoran wormhole and while travelling through it get taken to the Caretakers array were they are meet by Q who puts them on trial.
Go Enterprise!
Posted by C.E. Evans:
Bring on the Borg!
It's about damn time.
If B&B do this right--it will mean that ENT is a result of an altered timeline that first began in "First Contact" (which reportedly inspired Berman to create ENT as a prequel)...
If you recall, Picard and crew committed total breaches in temporal protocol by introducing themselves to Cochrane and even showing him the Enterprise-E.
If this is the case, NX-01 may have actually been inspired by Cochrane's observations of the Enterprise-E during the development of the Warp 5 engine...
I'd accept absolute continuity violations that mark ENT as a deviation from the original Trek continuity, rather than an over-produced show pretending to be a prequel.
Let the Temporal Cold War, then, be a fight between forces trying to preserve or destroy the original Trek timeline...
That is why the NX-1 looks so much like the Sov, a long rather then wide saucer section, a long Engineering hull with long swept back nacelles...wait a minute! It looks nothing like the Sov, in fact it looks more like the Akira, which he never got a look at!
I say bring on the Borg! And the Dominion and Jem'Hadar. While we're at it, how about the Cardassians and lets have the Enterprise crew get a good look at the Romulans and see how they look exactly like the Vulcans! How about the Kazon? Or the Wadi? I think that the Enterprise should also find the Bajoran wormhole and while travelling through it get taken to the Caretakers array were they are meet by Q who puts them on trial.
Go Enterprise!
ok, ok, ok. so all events after First Contact have been in a new, alternate timeline. that's why star trek has been terrible since then, that's why the last seasons of VOY, NEM and INS sucked ass. and now ENT is taking place in this new timeline and all the canonical errors DON'T MATTER. its the new B&B-ified timeline and has nothing to do w/ the old one! so bring on the borg, have Q show up AND maybe an appearance by admiral janeway or seven of nine 
notice how i conveniently left out DS9...
notice how i conveniently left out DS9...
If you've got a few thousand years of seperation, a couple of language barriers and a few destructive military campaigns with neither side truly interested in science and technology, then you could justify the loss of the information. It helps if the culture becomes more or less extinct in the meantime.
But in an age marked by global and interstellar communication, digital recording media, a standardized language, widespread literacy and tertiary education, a collective effort to make contact with alien life forms and a centralized organization (Starfleet) that handles these things and doesn't become conveniently extinct, suddenly you've got a completely different environment regarding the spread and storage of information
Trying to pull the same disappearing act, well, that is twisting it out of context. These are different situations, with different people with different priorities. Drawing a parallel isn't just a stretch, it's a break.
BTW, Enterprise is meant to be about humanity's first big push into deep space, depending on their ingenuity, resourcefullness and courage. Making Enterprise about how humanity blazed into glory on the wings of BORG (
) is a waste of the premise and of the oxygen that fuels our brain cells.But then, we can always rely on B&B
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Re: At last--a genuine continuity violation...
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No...not that NX-01 was inspired entirely by the Enterprise-E, but with the very basic idea of having a ship with a forward saucer section and aft nacelles--a configuration that almost all future Federation starships have--rather than something like a Daedalus-class or whatever...
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No...not that NX-01 was inspired entirely by the Enterprise-E, but with the very basic idea of having a ship with a forward saucer section and aft nacelles--a configuration that almost all future Federation starships have--rather than something like a Daedalus-class or whatever...
I had a lot of time to think about this whole Borg thing today, and I basically came up with much the same idea (just didn't get the chance to post it until now).
Taking your idea one step further, and to give credit where it's due, I believe someone else also posted this notion - but the events in this Borg ep is what causes a very select group of people to come together to form Section 31.
If you think about it, such an event would definately be classified at the highest levels, and not everyone in Starfleet would have access to it. I could certainly see that by Kirk's time, then by Picard's era, there were be no common knowledge of the Borg; only those in a highly compartmentalized division (such as Section 31) would know the truth.
And it would go a long way towards explaining the apparent contridiction posed by Seven being assimilated years before the first known encounter with the Borg (the events of Q-Who).
I really feel that Enterprise needed to do a Borg show, but there are ways it could be done that wouldn't totally fuck up continuity.
But I don't want to hold my breath on it.
I thought the dustruction along the neutral zone at the end of TNG season one was supposed to be a Borg ship.
As far as I'm aware, it never was explained.
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I knew it! I knew this would happen!!
This is too much. How many times did I say they'd do this? TPTB knew they had a ratings winner there. They had all those sets and costumes collecting dust. I knew they couldn't resist. Where are all those people who said this would never happen? I don't hear them!!!
Oh I can't believe this. This is too much. These guys have no surprises left in them. How many more will buy into their "new and different Trek?". I can see they really wanted to get away from the 24th century. . Yeah right. I can read these guys like a book. Hey MR where are you??? I think you owe my friend Mr. Cogley some money.
Oh God, I got to go rest now and laugh this off. This is just too damned funny for words.
^^ You da man 
Have a good laugh. I passed into the uncontrollable sobbing stage some time ago
Have a good laugh. I passed into the uncontrollable sobbing stage some time ago
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I don't blame B&B. Well actually I do... but...
next time someone attempts to blame the fans (you know the "you fans are never satisfied" blah blah) I'll agree with the general idea but in a differnet way.
B&B know you will watch it. You'll trot out the "well i don't have a nielson box" or "i'm waiting for it to get good" but in the end you'll watch the SHIT they churn out. THey know you'll watch.
next time someone attempts to blame the fans (you know the "you fans are never satisfied" blah blah) I'll agree with the general idea but in a differnet way.
B&B know you will watch it. You'll trot out the "well i don't have a nielson box" or "i'm waiting for it to get good" but in the end you'll watch the SHIT they churn out. THey know you'll watch.
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Posted by reno floyd:
^^ You da man
Now that the shock is over that's where I'm heading. Ever see "Flight of the Pheonix?". Richard Attenburough has a break down and bursts into an uncontrollable laughter. It eventually tails off into a man sobbing like a baby (great performance by the way). If you've seen the movie you know why he breaks down. It's kind of the same principal here, but not quite. Get my drift? - Status
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