Is a military installation the terrority of a country? I thought only an embassy is.
Obama's Birth Certificate Analyzed
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Is a military installation the terrority of a country? I thought only an embassy is.
If they're..."born outside of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents both of whom are citizens of the United States and one of whom has had a residence in the United States or one of its outlying possessions, prior to the birth of such person
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/8/1401.html
That's all which is required to have American citizenship at birth, and therefore to be "natural-born".
I was born in a British hospital to American parents when my father was stationed at Molesworth AFB. I have citizenship papers for the US. I've always figured that I could not run...
I would think that if McCain could run, so could you; his situation was very similar.
BTW, when did Rhein-Main change hands? I remembered that being a US installation up through the 90s...?
Hey Vance, can't admit you were wrong about the whole "every country on earth including the US requires natural born citizenship to be head of government" bullshit? You seemed pretty quick to ignore that point.
There was this kid named Vance on my street growing up, he was a completely d-bag. One day, he got beat up pretty badly after school by an older kid, but I didn't feel sorry for him because of his past behaviour towards other people. This thread reminded me of that incident for the first time in a quite a while.
There was this kid named Vance on my street growing up, he was a completely d-bag. One day, he got beat up pretty badly after school by an older kid, but I didn't feel sorry for him because of his past behaviour towards other people. This thread reminded me of that incident for the first time in a quite a while.
So a citizen by accident of birth, would be a better President than an overseas-born, naturalised one who has made the conscientiouss decision to embrace all that their "new" country stands for and what it offers? Umm, ok.
It would be hard to refute that without the pressure applied by Mr. Trump, that Obama wouldn't have released the requested documentation.Keep up the good work, Donald Trump
Obama certainly didn't make the release through any personal belief in openness or transparency.
Bullshit.
The documentation could not legally be released by the State Of Hawaii as has been pointed out already.
Hawaii also converted to electronic records several years back (before Obama ran for President) so there is no longer any paper copies of his or anyone else's birth certificate.
Of course the biggest irony is the person who started all this shit is an Israeli by birth.
How rich are you? No matter what it says in the Constitution, THAT'S the real bottom line.
Well, crap.
The current Australian Prime Minister was born in Wales.
Yep.
Also, in the link Squiggy gave, other combinations are laid out. My nephews, for example, were born in London, to a British father and American mother. They are, therefore, dual citizens of the US and the UK (since my sister and her husband are not diplomats working for the government, their children are *automatically* dual citizens, regardless of where on Earth they were born). And by the terms of that link, they are both qualified to run for president of the United States, since their mother is an American citizen:
He did give the most official birth documentation that HI can give. This other long form is actually less official! The people who wasted the money are idiots who made it an issue: "That Obama, he didn't release the less official document, only the most official one!!! How dare he!"
Mr Awe
Doesn't that really depend upon what planet the other parent is from?
The Constitution provides two methods by which it may be amended. Every amendment thus far has been passed by a two-thirds vote of both houses of Congress, then ratified by the required three-fourths of the states. The alternative method, a Constitutional convention, has never been used. But there’s always a first time.
(BTW, states may ratify a proposed amendment either by a vote of the state legislatures or by ad hoc conventions in each state. The latter method was used only once — to ratify the 21st Amendment, which repealed Prohibition.)
He did give the most official birth documentation that HI can give. This other long form is actually less official! The people who wasted the money are idiots who made it an issue: "That Obama, he didn't release the less official document, only the most official one!!! How dare he!"
Mr Awe
Exactly. Does someone have a picture of both of the forms side by side? I doubt there is any more info on the new one.
Did they think it was gonig to say something different? Maybe it took him two years to make this fake long form!
Well, crap.
I know. I'm six years beyond the age requirements, and twenty seven years past the citizenship requirements, and I'll still never be President simply because I don't have money.
Exactly. Does someone have a picture of both of the forms side by side? I doubt there is any more info on the new one.
Did they think it was gonig to say something different? Maybe it took him two years to make this fake long form!
There's absolutely more info on the more recently released form. You can see them both here.
But one thing the original form contains that the new one doesn't is the statement that:
^ I guess most of the birthers never get all the way to the bottom of the form.... all that readin' might make their brains hurt too much!
This copy serves as prima facie evidence of the fact of birth in any court proceeding.
I find it interesting (and telling) that no one who has posted in this discussion in order to complain that Obama did not release the long form sooner has addressed any of the points brought up pointing out that the short form is the accepted, official document from the state of Hawaii and that it WAS released years ago!
It is like they just do not hear the facts- and have nothing to offer to support their incorrect stand on the subject.
This copy serves as prima facie evidence of the fact of birth in any court proceeding.
I find it interesting (and telling) that no one who has posted in this discussion in order to complain that Obama did not release the long form sooner has addressed any of the points brought up pointing out that the short form is the accepted, official document from the state of Hawaii and that it WAS released years ago!
It is like they just do not hear the facts- and have nothing to offer to support their incorrect stand on the subject.
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