Obama's Birth Certificate Analyzed
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Actually, it shouldn't have been a debate AT ALL. And I don't blame Obama for refusing to respond to this nonsense. Because that's what it is - petty, bullshit nonsense.
I'm not a particular fan of Obama...but this whole situation is a result of a bunch of petty, small-minded, borderline-racist, hypocritical Republicans trying to drum up drama where there was none, just to grab headlines.
I did not vote for Obama in the last election...but I'll tell you one thing - the antics of Sarah Palin, Glen Beck, Newt Gingrich (quite possibly the most hypocritical individual who ever lived), and Donald Trump are inclining me to do so more and more in the next election. Because the Republicans are showing themselves to be nothing but a bunch of mean-spirited, petty douchebags of ginormous proportions.
And it is THEIR fault money has been 'wasted' on this wild goose chase.
Well said, PK 
PK--Your comments make my point exactly: I think it's very, VERY harsh to paint all Republicans with that brush...even a majority. I mean, am I a douchebag because I'm conservative, yet absolutely do not think that Obama isn't American or anything like that? I think that would be going way too far.
But I think Obama made a deliberate political calculation knowing that people like Trump were going to make a stink, and make the entire party look bad by extension.
But I think Obama made a deliberate political calculation knowing that people like Trump were going to make a stink, and make the entire party look bad by extension.
Obama is the commander and chief. Can't he order Trump killed or something?
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If there was even a hint that Obama was not really born in America, Hillary Clinton would have printed it out, rolled it up, and choked him with it in the public square.
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Interestingly enough it was Hillary supporters who first started the certificate controversy in April 2008.
According to the Telegraph:
An anonymous email circulated by supporters of Mrs Clinton, Mr Obama’s main rival for the party’s nomination, thrust a new allegation into the national spotlight — that he had not been born in Hawaii.
Article by John Swaine
This is not to say that Ms. Clinton herself had anything to do with it. And of course, some the political right were more than eager to pick up the ball and run with it.
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If there was even a hint that Obama was not really born in America, Hillary Clinton would have printed it out, rolled it up, and choked him with it in the public square.
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Interestingly enough it was Hillary supporters who first started the certificate controversy in April 2008.
According to the Telegraph:
An anonymous email circulated by supporters of Mrs Clinton, Mr Obama’s main rival for the party’s nomination, thrust a new allegation into the national spotlight — that he had not been born in Hawaii.
Article by John Swaine
This is not to say that Ms. Clinton herself had anything to do with it. And of course, some the political right were more than eager to pick up the ball and run with it.
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According to Fox News Obama is a Muslim, when asked where they got that info they said the Clinton champaign. Mrs. Clinton then came out and said Fox News was stoned.
My point is there are crazy fuckers on both sides. The difference is the Clinton supports most likely aren't still bitching about it 2.5 years later.
My point is there are crazy fuckers on both sides. The difference is the Clinton supports most likely aren't still bitching about it 2.5 years later.
The difference is that Reagan served seven terms as President of the Screen Actors' Guild. Not the same thing, but he had experience in the business side of the industry and administration. So he was already more qualified than some reality-show star.
I don't think of Trump as merely a reality-show star (though that's what he's fallen to, these days), but in this day and age where we know so much more about what's going on in the world around us, thanks to the 24-hour news cycle and social media, we see his shortcomings a lot more clearly than we would have seen Reagan's in 1979.
There's also the fact that not long after Reagan left acting, he became governor of California. Trump has never done anything political, and seems to think that he can just start at the top because "Hey, he's The Trump!". Real life doesn't work that way. You have to start in the mail room before becoming CEO, if you want to be successful.
And what are they going to do then? Build a TARDIS and retroactively remove Obama's presidency from history?
And what are they going to do then? Build a TARDIS and retroactively remove Obama's presidency from history?
No, at that point it's all about destroying his legacy. It's the same reason the GOP had a project to get something named after Reagan in every state, and why so many on the right push the idea that Roosevelt's policies had nothing to do with improving the economy during the Great Depression (Discrediting his policies in the past to influence policies today).
Keep up the good work, Donald Trump
So do you think he was born in this country?
All very good points, TT. I'll put it this way. I'll trust an actor as President far more than a reality star. I'm sure that Trump is a decent man. The problem is, we really don't get much of an idea who Trump is and what kind of personality he has other than what we've seen through his reality shows. I think I'd end up trusting him more if he weren't doing these reality shows, as I feel they make him look untrustworthy. I feel that his reality shows have damaged his reputation and respectability. And yeah, you're right. I think he feels he can zip by some of the obstacles because of his reality show popularity and get somewhere quick, and like I said earlier, perhaps count on some of his fans to garner some votes. I get a scary mental picture of Trump in the oval office running things like a reality show.
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A valid reason, I think.
Keep up the good work, Donald Trump
Do you seriously believe these things or are you just trying to be outrageous? Neither really reflect well on you, but I'll be honest that it would be disappointing to see you actually buy into something so blatantly stupid and racist.
Verifying the candidate's legitimacy to serve as president the first time isn't the problem. The problem comes when the legal certificate of live birth of the state or overseas region the candidate is from is presented; the standard which satisfies the requirement for anyone else, and that's still not good enough because it's a black guy with a funny name.
She was quite obviously talking about the Republican leadership and frontrunners who believe, feed, or tolerate the hysteria about Obama's birth. If you don't believe it, then it clearly doesn't apply to you.
However, speaking of majorities, a majority of Republicans either believe he wasn't born here or "aren't sure":
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When it comes to knowing where President Obama was born, 45 percent of Republicans appear to believe that he was not born in America, according to the results of a New York Times/CBS poll. About a third agreed he was born in America and 22 percent say they aren’t sure.
These results match a similar poll done in February that resulted in 51 percent of Republican’s saying Obama wasn’t born in the U.S. and 28 percent saying he was born in the U.S.
http://www.dailypolitical.com/polit...-of-republicans-say-obama-not-born-in-u-s.htm
So, I think it's fairly safe to say it's something Republicans believe in without having to excessively qualify your statement.
Now that is pretty much fucking awesome.
Damn, I was just about to post that in the Bin Laden is Dead thread...
Bin Laden getting shot in the head, Justin Bieber getting eggs thrown at him... I think the timeline is finally healing itself.
It would be hard to refute that without the pressure applied by Mr. Trump, that Obama wouldn't have released the requested documentation.Keep up the good work, Donald Trump
Obama certainly didn't make the release through any personal belief in openness or transparency.
Man, I am so sick of hearing truly ignorant statements such as this... and I mean ignorant in the true definition of the word. I can not be sure, however, when a person making this type of statement is simply not aware of the facts or is actively fighting their own acceptance of the facts.
That first document that many people have a problem with -the one that Obama DID release years ago during the campaign- IS an OFFICIAL DOCUMENT from the state of Hawaii that proves he is an American citizen born in Hawaii. It is what the state of Hawaii issues when a birth certificate is requested by a citizen. It is official!
He did not wait "so long" to release anything! He turned in the official documentation years ago when he first needed to at the start of the campaign. Also, he couldn't have gotten a U.S. passport and traveled to other countries without having a valid certificate.
There is SECOND type of official document (the long form) that has more information on it, but is no more official to the actual authorities on this subject than the short form. There are more hoops for a citizen to jump through in order to acquire the long form, and recently -for whatever possible motivation or strategy- Obama went through those hoops to get it out there.
What most all birthers seem to be missing is that they are not experts in this realm (Maybe this comes from watching too many CSI programs which leads some into thinking that they themselves are sleuthy experts...!). You can bet that that first document was inspected and scrutinized by actual experts and proper authorities -both Republican and Democrat (not armchair conspiracy folks) or Obama could not have allowed to go on to become President.
If you don't believe that this is how our system works, then you should -as Obama suggested to Trump at the National Press Club dinner on Saturday- now go on and devote your time to other worthy causes such as investigating the moon landing hoax.
Birthers-- you guys are not experts! Can you grasp this? The entertainers and commentators that you are listening to are not the experts, either!
When I was in college, I was carded in a bar in a state other than my own. I won't name the state, but it has -justified or not- a reputation for having a lot of citizens who are not too sharp. I got into an argument with a local patron who wanted to have a look my ID, because he could not be convinced that a New York State driver's license would look different from his driver's license. He thought it must be a fake. How could it not be?- It did not look like his genuine license.
I was annoyed at the time, but looking back I feel bad that this guy's experience was so small and his suspicion of anything (or anyone) different was so great that he could not make sensible decisions. I suspect that the guy is out there somewhere doubting the validity of both of Obama's official certificates.
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