NuTrek's big, controversial premises

[Detached Nacelle]

I’ll always give a Trek show the opportunity to impress me.

I just don't have it in me to invest in a whole new universe. I would simply just not engage with it or any discussions regarding it.

The end of prime universe star trek content is for me the end of star trek but I have more than enough to keep me entertained and more than enough fuel to headcanon in any and every gap in the timeline.

 

[Farscape One]

Subjectivity. I can quite confidently tell you just for example Academy season 1 is better than a few seasons of TNG.

We probably would anyway the streaming bubble is sort of bursting and Trek is a bit too niche to hold an entire platform afloat.

You can confidently say that about SFA season 1, but that is also subjective.

My subjective view? SFA season 1 is not better than any single season of the classic era. At best, it's better than some DISCO seasons, which in itself is an extremely low bar to clear.


And there's actually some numbers to back this up. There is another thread here that shows the bottom 100 ranked episodes/movies of the entire franchise, and seven out of the ten SFA episodes are on it (and six of those are in the bottom 50, with 2 of them being in the bottom 10). That's not an indication of a season being good. Quite the opposite, really.

 

[DonIago]

If you're talking about that IMDb list, I'd hardly call that either reliable or authoritative.

 

[Detached Nacelle]

You can confidently say that about SFA season 1, but that is also subjective.

I never said it wasn't.

And there's actually some numbers to back this up. There is another thread here that shows the bottom 100 ranked episodes/movies of the entire franchise, and seven out of the ten SFA episodes are on it (and six of those are in the bottom 50, with 2 of them being in the bottom 10). That's not an indication of a season being good. Quite the opposite, really.

These are notoriously unreliable in the age of review bombing campaigns.

 

[BillJ]

I just don't have it in me to invest in a whole new universe.

I think the most excited I was for Trek in the 21st century was for the Abram’s films. I’d be absolutely excited for a fresh start.

These are notoriously unreliable in the age of review bombing campaigns.

Follow the money. They wouldn’t cancel some of these shows (Prodigy, Starfleet Academy), if they were making them money. It is a bitter pill to swallow. Discovery was clearly a success based on the amount of money poured into it and that it generated three spinoffs. I am no fan of Discovery.

 

[Detached Nacelle]

Follow the money. They wouldn’t cancel some of these shows (Prodigy, Starfleet Academy), if they were making them money. It is a bitter pill to swallow. Discovery was clearly a success based on the amount of money poured into it and that it generated three spinoffs. I am no fan of Discovery.

Oh I'm under no delusions that Academy did not set the world on fire. It was incredibly unpopular before it even came out and when it did it was hit or miss for some and those that didn't want a show set at the school didn't watch it. And fair play to them.

But the point is more these opinion polls can be heavily skewered by malcontents. The wrong sorts of people can just go on to imdb and vote every episode of Academy 1 star without ever having watched it. Can leave metacritic and rotten tomato reviews regurgitating enough buzz words from a youtube video that it doesn't get auto deleted.

If one were only allowed to vote positively Academy would probably end up lower due to a lower amount of voters which is difficult to compare to bigger shows especially ones that have had decades to cultivate a multigenerational fanbase.

 

[Ray Hardgrit]

If you're talking about that IMDb list, I'd hardly call that either reliable or authoritative.

The IMDb list is one of our best sources due to how many users the site has... and it's also not to be 100% trusted. We've got to be careful with the conclusions we draw from it. But it can be a useful indicator, especially when we've got other sources to compare it with.

That's the wildly untrustworthy IMDb with its bots and its review bombing campaigns compared to Trek BBS's own polls (stretched a bit to make the lines match better, as Trek BBS has a slightly higher average.)

 

[fireproof78]

If you're talking about that IMDb list, I'd hardly call that either reliable or authoritative.

I would always be hesitant around equating popular with good. Otherwise, Star Trek should emulate Transformers my movies.

 

[Ray Hardgrit]

I would always be hesitant around equating popular with good. Otherwise, Star Trek should emulate Transformers my movies.

Absolutely, we definitely wouldn't want any more movies like... Star Trek 2009

 

[Turtletrekker]

No. Real Star Trek and official Star Trek are synonymous. What you're talking about is subjective and opinion-driven. Just cut to the chase, get it over with, and settle for defining Star Trek you like.

Ayup.

 

[fireproof78]

Absolutely, we definitely wouldn't want any more movies like... Star Trek 2009

Nope. It was not good Trek if reviews and online commentary is to be believed.

 

[Ray Hardgrit]

Nope. It was not good Trek if reviews and online commentary is to be believed.

It can seem like that sometimes, but I think we're always looking at these things through a narrow window, not getting all the information. Louder voices make an outsized impact, memories lie etc.

The last time I remember people having a poll on the Trek BBS forums, the top 5 movies were:

1. Wrath of Khan
2. The Undiscovered Country
3. Star Trek Beyond
4. Star Trek 09
5. First Contact

Though granted this was before Section 31, so the ranking could've changed since then.

 

[Set Harth]

I think Beyond has its moments but it's shocking to see it in a top 5.

 

[Ray Hardgrit]

I think Beyond has its moments but it's shocking to see it in a top 5.

Maybe it's time for another vote!

 

[BillJ]

The Kelvin Timeline films have generated more posts than any other series forum.

 

[fireproof78]

It can seem like that sometimes, but I think we're always looking at these things through a narrow window, not getting all the information. Louder voices make an outsized impact, memories lie etc.

The last time I remember people having a poll on the Trek BBS forums, the top 5 movies were:

1. Wrath of Khan
2. The Undiscovered Country
3. Star Trek Beyond
4. Star Trek 09
5. First Contact

Though granted this was before Section 31, so the ranking could've changed since then.

I rank 09 as my personal favorite Star Trek film, easily. It speaks to me on a level no other Trek film does. It's action adventure and social commentary well paired together but it is frequently dismissed.

It is both listed as popular yet dismissed in the very next breath as "not real Star Trek" which points to the inherent vapidity of popularity.

 

[Turtletrekker]

I don't like the Kelvin movies, Voyager or Enterprise. But I would never be so arrogant and dismissive as to say they weren't Star Trek

 

[Richard S. Ta]

If it says ‘Star Trek’ on it and it’s an official production, it’s Star Trek. End of. There’s loads of it that I don’t like very much, but I don’t get to decide if it’s ‘real’ or not beyond my own so-called head-canon.

To me, DSC, SNW and SFA take place in an entirely different continuity. To me. I know that’s wrong, I wouldn’t tell others they must adhere to what I think is right. But that feels right to me.

Everything from TOS-SFA is Star Trek though.

 

[Detached Nacelle]

To me, DSC, SNW and SFA take place in an entirely different continuity. To me. I know that’s wrong, I wouldn’t tell others they must adhere to what I think is right. But that feels right to me.

I have done to the same to Picard season 3 and Prodigy and prioritised STO. I use the odd bit and piece from them just like the novel continuity to create a frankencanon, I know full well it doesn't apply to the rest of the world but the rest of the world is not rattling around inside my little noggin. Just me.

 

[Candleicious Ghost]

I do like the Kelvin movies and Disco, and love Enterprise