New StarGate series Prime Video.

[Ray Hardgrit]

I feel it's worth pointing out that "woke" just means awake, aware of reality, hip to what's important. Anyone who defines being woke as a bad thing compels me to ask, what realities don't they want their followers to be aware of?

The trouble with the word 'woke', and why I don't like using it, is that what it means exactly depends on who's using it. And I don't think there's necessarily has to be a conscious intention to twist its meaning, it's just people take it to mean whatever it seemed to mean in the context they've been hearing it.

But it's also a very convenient umbrella term for the worst of people to push their agenda. Instead of discussing each subject separately, they can say something is woke. Diversity is woke, Milly Alcock's face is woke, caring about the environment is woke. And woke is bad, right? So all those things must be bad.

I fucking hate it.

 

[CetiAlphanEel]

Even worse, German show with a rich boy–poor girl theme. These were topics that occupied Turkish TV screens for years. Prime Video is currently full of these. Including me, many people watch these because there are beautiful girls and handsome boys.

Well now I'm curious about Turkish tv habits and tastes lol

 

[CetiAlphanEel]

Just be thankful that Stargate SG-1 will not be ruined by the modern touch.

Everything I've read about this new Stargate iteration seems to indicate this wouldn't have been the case but I guess we will never know

 

[Christopher]

The trouble with the word 'woke', and why I don't like using it, is that what it means exactly depends on who's using it.

No, I think the left and right use it to mean basically the same thing; they just disagree on whether that thing is good or bad. Like I said, the people in power think that the public being awake to reality is dangerous to their power, so they want the public to remain asleep, and thus they demonize wokeness as something scary and horrible to trick their followers into not wanting it.

"Woke" originated in African-American vernacular to mean socially aware and active. The right demonizes it as much because it's associated with Black culture as anything else. It originated as a term of activism and social responsibility, and I reject the idea that the other side has the exclusive right to co-opt the term and decide what they want it to mean. The right has always been very good at stealing other people's terminology and controlling how it gets used in the public narrative, and liberals, moderates, and the media have been too passive about letting them get away with it. (For instance, "fake news" originated as a critique of the Trump administration's lies, but was then co-opted by Trump and turned against his critics.) We really need to stop letting them do that.

 

[CetiAlphanEel]

No, I think the left and right use it to mean basically the same thing; they just disagree on whether that thing is good or bad. Like I said, the people in power think that the public being awake to reality is dangerous to their power, so they want the public to remain asleep, and thus they demonize wokeness as something scary and horrible to trick their followers into not wanting it.

"Woke" originated in African-American vernacular to mean socially aware and active. The right demonizes it as much because it's associated with Black culture as anything else. It originated as a term of activism and social responsibility, and I reject the idea that the other side has the exclusive right to co-opt the term and decide what they want it to mean. The right has always been very good at stealing other people's terminology and controlling how it gets used in the public narrative, and liberals, moderates, and the media have been too passive about letting them get away with it. (For instance, "fake news" originated as a critique of the Trump administration's lies, but was then co-opted by Trump and turned against his critics.) We really need to stop letting them do that.

I'm fairly "woke" and find most anti woke complaints silly at best. Hell, even though I'm a huge Gater, I can acknowledge a show where the us military essentially saves the galaxy (well, two) is a bit problematic. I'd still like more of it, but that thought is always in the back of my head when I rewatch sg1 or Atlantis

 

[Fresh Linon Snuh]

People complaining about "woke" will often be inconsistent because they are reactionary and don't understand what they're even mad about, but mostly it's insecure white dudes that think they're being made fun of/excluded somehow by minorities whom they believe are beneath them. They're loud and off-putting and tend to drive away sane discourse about stuff because most people don't have the time and disposition to argue with assholes on the internet.

There's a whole cottage industry on youtube of wankers basically peddling hatred under the guise of explaining why this or that franchise or brand has been run into the ground so they're probably on Stargate now that it's been "cancelled."

 

[CetiAlphanEel]

People complaining about "woke" will often be inconsistent because they are reactionary and don't understand what they're even mad about, but mostly it's insecure white dudes that think they're being made fun of/excluded somehow by minorities whom they believe are beneath them. They're loud and off-putting and tend to drive away sane discourse about stuff because most people don't have the time and disposition to argue with assholes on the internet.

There's a whole cottage industry on youtube of wankers basically peddling hatred under the guise of explaining why this or that franchise or brand has been run into the ground so they're probably on Stargate now that it's been "cancelled."

Most of the YouTube chuds I'm aware of who comment on scifi are talking about Stargate, even though a few of them admit they don't even care about Stargate, they're just trying to stoke outrage. Sadly yes I occasionally watch these channels to keep up with what the YouTube right is saying, ugh

 

[oktay]

Well now I'm curious about Turkish tv habits and tastes lol

Let me put it this way; think about the daily soap operas in America, but with a more dramatic tone, featuring female characters who are constantly crying, subjected to violence and rape. Look, we have an institution called RTÜK (Radio and Television Supreme Council), and broadcasting any kind of sexual or violent scene is punishable. But they can film all kinds of violent scenes involving women.

In the 90s, there were comedy shows set in Turkish neighborhoods that reflected Turkish neighborhood culture. In the 2000s and early 2010s, shows in the style of American sitcoms were being made. At the same time, in the late 1990s, drama-focused shows in the style of American soap operas began to emerge. Let me explain: You could think of all American shows as being based on Hamlet and Romeo and Juliet.

Anyway, from the late 2000s onwards, Turkish shows in the style I mentioned started achieving great success abroad, and since comedy shows couldn't sell, all channels started producing entirely drama shows, thinking about the international market instead of comedy. While Turkish shows used to try to reflect modernity, now they try to reflect conservatism.

Furthermore, shows in Turkey were 45-60 minutes long from the 1990s to the mid-2000s. In the mid-2000s, they increased to 90 minutes. From the early 2010s onwards, they were extended to 2.5 hours; to be able to sell them abroad in 5-part installments. As a result, Turkish actors who used to earn 30,000 TL per episode now receive millions of TL per episode. Of course, considering how bad Turkey's economy is, the channels are also losing money on these shows.

 

[Ragitsu]

To be fair, Amazon has gone a bit nuts. Rings of Power is a one billion USD fan-fiction; to call it a pale imitation of Tolkien's work - his tone - is a raw insult to pale imitations.

 

[CetiAlphanEel]

Let me put it this way; think about the daily soap operas in America, but with a more dramatic tone, featuring female characters who are constantly crying, subjected to violence and rape. Look, we have an institution called RTÜK (Radio and Television Supreme Council), and broadcasting any kind of sexual or violent scene is punishable. But they can film all kinds of violent scenes involving women.

In the 90s, there were comedy shows set in Turkish neighborhoods that reflected Turkish neighborhood culture. In the 2000s and early 2010s, shows in the style of American sitcoms were being made. At the same time, in the late 1990s, drama-focused shows in the style of American soap operas began to emerge. Let me explain: You could think of all American shows as being based on Hamlet and Romeo and Juliet.

Anyway, from the late 2000s onwards, Turkish shows in the style I mentioned started achieving great success abroad, and since comedy shows couldn't sell, all channels started producing entirely drama shows, thinking about the international market instead of comedy. While Turkish shows used to try to reflect modernity, now they try to reflect conservatism.

I have like a million questions now on Turkish tv but I'll refrain myself lol. I wonder though if turkey ever remade "Married with Children" like a lot of countries did lol

 

[CetiAlphanEel]

To be fair, Amazon has gone a bit nuts. Rings of Power is a one billion USD fan-fiction; to call it a pale imitation of Tolkien's work - his tone - is a raw insult to pale imitations.

Never seen Rings of Power but yeah I've heard nothing good about it. So yeah I agree that there's reason to be afraid of anything Amazon handles, but I think Martin Gero and Joseph Mallozzi and such were prob making something at least decent. Of course I have no idea without reading scripts and such

 

[oktay]

I have like a million questions now on Turkish tv but I'll refrain myself lol. I wonder though if turkey ever remade "Married with Children" like a lot of countries did lol

Yes, adaptations were made. During that period, a lot of American sitcoms were adapted for us. However, the show mentioned did not succeed and was taken off the air after a few episodes. Besides that, Desperate Housewives, Grey's Anatomy, and House M.D. were also adapted and became successful productions, but they were not as successful as the originals. ER was adapted as well, but it only lasted for two episodes.

 

[CetiAlphanEel]

Yes, adaptations were made. During that period, a lot of American sitcoms were adapted for us. However, the show mentioned did not succeed and was taken off the air after a few episodes. Besides that, Desperate Housewives, Grey's Anatomy, and House M.D. were also adapted and became successful productions, but they were not as successful as the originals. ER was adapted as well, but it only lasted for two episodes.

Not to go too off topic but in this day and age of digital tv, can't Turks just watch the western versions no prob?

 

[137th Gebirg]

Geoblocking and international licensing restrictions makes that generally problematic world-wide.

 

[CetiAlphanEel]

Geoblocking and international licensing restrictions makes that generally problematic world-wide.

Yeah that makes sense

 

[oktay]

Not to go too off topic but in this day and age of digital tv, can't Turks just watch the western versions no prob?

People can watch them. Since the penalty exists but is not enforced, people can also watch through piracy. Most young people in Türkiye who enjoy watching foreign shows used piracy for years. However, people in Türkiye generally prefer watching local content. For that reason, digital platforms in Türkiye also produce local content. Another reason is attracting subscribers in Middle Eastern and Latin American countries where Turkish shows are popular. Türkiye ranks third in the world in TV series exports. At one point, Turkish series even started being broadcast on Spanish-language channels in the United States with English or Spanish subtitles or dubbing; Variety also reported on that.

 

[FredH]

To be fair, Amazon has gone a bit nuts. Rings of Power is a one billion USD fan-fiction; to call it a pale imitation of Tolkien's work - his tone - is a raw insult to pale imitations.

Personally, I find Rings of Power pretty wonderful, actually. If it doesn’t match all the minutiae I spent all those years reading (though it matches plenty), I honestly don’t care; the show itself rather takes me away, and I couldn’t even tell you exactly why.

 

[oktay]

Geoblocking and international licensing restrictions makes that generally problematic world-wide.

Actually, CNBC’s Turkey version broadcast popular American shows from the 2000s and 2010s in Turkey with subtitles for years. However, the broadcasts were censored. For this reason, with the spread of the internet, most young people either turned to piracy or switched to subscription-based satellite platforms. These platforms also had foreign shows, but a large part of the Turkish audience mainly used them to watch Turkish football matches.

 

[Ragitsu]

Personally, I find Rings of Power pretty wonderful, actually. If it doesn’t match all the minutiae I spent all those years reading (though it matches plenty), I honestly don’t care; the show itself rather takes me away, and I couldn’t even tell you exactly why.

RoP has problems (e.g., writing and select production values) beyond its infidelity to the source material or even the author in general.

 

[FredH]

RoP has problems (e.g., writing and select production values) beyond its infidelity to the source material or even the author in general.

I think the production values are gorgeous. Writing, that’ll inevitably be a matter of opinion. Obviously it’s not going to be Tolkien, no one would be, even less in a scripted format.