Spoilers New Short Trek - Q&A

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Discovery' started by Tuskin38, Oct 5, 2019.


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  1. Lord Garth

    Lord Garth Vice Admiral Admiral

    May 7, 2011
    "Picard" Zoom Session July 18 @ 8:30-11:30pm EDT
    My thought was for a while was that Number One had the turbolift stalled on purpose so she could find out more about Spock.

    If Number One was interested in Spock, that would've come across too much like Star Trek's version of The Graduate. An Ensign who recently graduated from the Academy and a woman in her 30s or 40s, one step away from being Captain.

    Anyway, I think I should clarify what prompted my response. Someone taking an unnecessary dig at "Me Too". Not you. That's the point where I was like, "Okay. That's enough. I'm weighing in."
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  2. penguin44

    penguin44 Commander Red Shirt

    Feb 19, 2019
    As for the lift visual, it put me off but I get they just used the same shot from Discovery to save money. Why do CGI turbo's for a short when you can re-use one.
  3. The Wormhole

    The Wormhole Fleet Admiral Admiral

    Jul 23, 2001
    Actually, I like the music in TOS just fine. It's the music in the other shows, particularly the Berman era I was referring to. Trek movies typically do have great music, even the Berman ones.
    Because those uniforms look much better with the collar unzipped.
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  4. Yistaan

    Yistaan Commodore Commodore

    Jul 27, 2018
    Actually, yeah, when an action could even remotely be construed as a MeToo situation, you do need to spell out what you're intending and doing, period. This is something everyone needs to know, not just in Star Trek. This is important to protect everyone, men and women.
  5. CorporalClegg

    CorporalClegg Admiral Admiral

    Aug 23, 2001
    Nuevo México
    Literature is full of characters symbolically unbuttoning their outerwear in a non-sexual symbolic manner.

    The theme of the episode was very specifically not about sex.

    And Pulitzer winners don't tell. They show through subtextual nuance.
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  6. eschaton

    eschaton Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    Oct 2, 2017
    Man, I wish there were two Short Treks coming out every week. This is great.
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  7. King Daniel Beyond

    King Daniel Beyond Fleet Admiral Admiral

    Nov 5, 2008
    King Daniel Beyond
    They didn't. It's a new CG, with a differently shaped turbolift.
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  8. Yistaan

    Yistaan Commodore Commodore

    Jul 27, 2018
    With all due respect, I definitely prefer to err on the side of caution 200% in real life. But yeah, this is a tv show.
  9. Timo

    Timo Fleet Admiral Admiral

    Aug 26, 2003
    I guess living in constant fear is a valid choice...

    Timo Saloniemi
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  10. Yistaan

    Yistaan Commodore Commodore

    Jul 27, 2018
    And with all due respect I request you leave it at that. You haven't lived my life or been through the things I've been through or met the people I've met and are in absolutely no position to judge.
  11. ToyBoxComix

    ToyBoxComix Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

    Apr 24, 2019
    They were in the turbolift for an unspecified amount of time -- probably hours. Loosening a uniform slightly, either for temperature or just physical comfort, is perfectly reasonable. Taking off the outer top entirely to reveal the undershirt would also be perfectly reasonable.
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  12. plynch

    plynch Commodore Commodore

    Apr 28, 2007
    Outer Graceland
    I am now unzipping my hoodie a bit, truly. Tne zipper is a bit too close to my throat. I do not intend this sexually. Thank you.
  13. Rainard Fox

    Rainard Fox Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

    Mar 17, 2019
    I wonder how very common is the opinion that everything that woman does is a seducing act. She smiles? She is flirting. She sings? Of course she's flirting. She unzips her collar? She is flirting! She doesn't even watch on you? It's a new flirting methode!
    Star Trek Federation ever was to me a model of society where sexual freedom and safety are absolute. Women can trust men, men can trust women, sexual harrassement is unbelievable case - as much as racial or gender discrimination. So they can unzip their clothes or take it off completely if it comfortable, and it wouldn't look like sexual challenge.
    In the same time they are not asexual, they are very sexual and enjoy it, without modern everyday fear to hurt someone or be hurted.
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  14. Nerys Myk

    Nerys Myk Tomorrow Never Knows Premium Member

    Nov 4, 2001
    Here, There and Everywhere
    Another entry in the vague and uninformative column.
  15. Nerys Myk

    Nerys Myk Tomorrow Never Knows Premium Member

    Nov 4, 2001
    Here, There and Everywhere
    What? Really, every adjustment to one's clothing must be preceded by a formal announcement? How absurd.
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  16. Yistaan

    Yistaan Commodore Commodore

    Jul 27, 2018
  17. Ar-Pharazon

    Ar-Pharazon Vice Admiral Premium Member

    May 19, 2005
    Far North Chicago Suburbs
    Actually, you'll need everyone in view to sign a waiver of some sort.
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  18. Serveaux

    Serveaux American Premium Member

    Dec 30, 2013
    Not Dead Yet
    It's funny - there's a lot I didn't like about STD, but I've never had any problems with the way the TOS characters - Spock, Number One, Pike, even Mudd - were written. Same for the JJTrek movies, which I love.

    People need to see and remember beyond these characters at their most stereotypical, which seems to be the basis of any objection (Spock doesn't smile? Of course he did, and more than a couple of times). Spock in particular had quite a range of behavior, unlike some of the later Vulcan portrayals by less gifted actors or those given more limited material (by the time of DS9, Vulcans were generally just assholes).

    I've been watching this stuff since 1966, and it's intriguing to see new interpretations of the original characters.
  19. Ronald Held

    Ronald Held Vice Admiral Admiral

    Feb 21, 2005
    On the USS Sovereign
    If the turbolift stops, does it follow that it's environment controls are out?
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  20. Yistaan

    Yistaan Commodore Commodore

    Jul 27, 2018
    You do realize that Charlie Rose and Weinstein having loose bathrobes when coming out of the bathroom was a complaint right? I'm not defending those guys at all, they're criminals and should be in jail, but the fact of the matter is we need to be very careful for the safety of everyone. Men especially shouldn't do anything even remotely construed as something bad. No one wants to go down the slippery slope to becoming a MeToo offender. We don't even want a single action in common with criminals like them.

    And for equality's sake, I would hope Number One follows the same rules, but it's a tv show so whatever.

    @Rainard Fox , your post sounds sarcastic or something. Here's my response. It's a tough world out there. I've seen people threatened with restaining orders, having their lives destroyed, just because they happened to be in the same eating area as a woman who claims he's "stalking" her. (He was literally eating in the dorm food hall he had every legal right to eat at). In the end he was legally cleared of course (he had done nothing wrong) but he was never the same again, and never will be. I have firsthand experience with these things and know you can never be too careful.

    Try to learn and be understanding before you judge.
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