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Ncuti Gatwa is the 15th Doctor

Like using box office to evaluate the artistic merit of a film, those two things aren’t really related. Mr.Bates vs The Post Office had massive numbers, but isn’t family entertainment by dint of likely being of no interest to your average nine year old.

What on earth are you talking about? That went out at 9pm, after the watershed. It was not aimed at a family audience. Doctor Who was broadcast at teatime on Christmas Day.

Gladiators is family entertainment, albeit rather sporty, and got better numbers than Who on the overnights.
Yes, it did really well, but Doctor Who did equally well. Gladiators is a broad-appeal light-entertainment show, not a drama, so it's comparing apples with oranges.

Who is mainstream geek culture viewing at best now, and the general public seems to be less interested than it was.

This is just nonsense. It was the third most-watched show on Christmas Day, with 7.49m viewers. The four 2023 specials averaged an astonishing 7.27 million and a 41.75% share. It was a huge mainstream success.

Call the Midwife narrowly beat it in the consolidated figures, but The Church on Ruby Road was second on the night, behind only the King.

By way of comparison, The Power of the Doctor got 5.3m.

That’s alright though — the production team don’t seem to actually be all that fussed about much of it either, since we celebrated the Sixtieth Anniversary of David Tennant and Catherine Tate, and that original creator Russell The Davies. Astonishing.
There were actually more broadcast minutes and hours dedicated to the show in its thirtieth anniversary year *when it had been essentially cancelled* than in its sixtieth, and it was more varied too.

Look, it's fine that you don't like it, that's entirely down to personal taste. But the recent specials were a massive hit for the BBC and it's ridiculous for you to pretend that they weren't.
 
What on earth are you talking about? That went out at 9pm, after the watershed. It was not aimed at a family audience. Doctor Who was broadcast at teatime on Christmas Day.


Yes, it did really well, but Doctor Who did equally well. Gladiators is a broad-appeal light-entertainment show, not a drama, so it's comparing apples with oranges.



This is just nonsense. It was the third most-watched show on Christmas Day, with 7.49m viewers. The four 2023 specials averaged an astonishing 7.27 million and a 41.75% share. It was a huge mainstream success.

Call the Midwife narrowly beat it in the consolidated figures, but The Church on Ruby Road was second on the night, behind only the King.

By way of comparison, The Power of the Doctor got 5.3m.



Look, it's fine that you don't like it, that's entirely down to personal taste. But the recent specials were a massive hit for the BBC and it's ridiculous for you to pretend that they weren't.

I didn’t pretend they weren’t. Nor did I say MBvsPO *was* family entertainment. I said explicitly it wasn’t.
What I said was that ‘high viewing figures’ do not in any way link directly to status of ‘family entertainment’ anymore than ‘box office success’ equates directly to ‘quality’.
Nor at any point have I cast aspersions on its viewing figures success. (Though, as ever, it’s not what it was…)
 
I don't know what to tell you. All four episodes went out at peak family viewing times, got huge ratings and excellent AI figures.

Smiles all round.
 
So The Star Beast was the most watched of the specials at 7.61 million, which for context is the most number of people who've watched an episode of Doctor Who since The Tsuranga Conundrum!

The Giggle had the highest Audience Appreciation Index figure at 85, which for context is the highest AI an episode of Who has had since World Enough and Time!

I imagine the BBC are pretty happy (to put it mildly)
 
The Whoniverse stuff was, and feels like, a bit of an afterthought. Worked ok though, and they could do worse than stick it on physical media, particularly for worldwide fans. It’s interesting that things like The Time Meddler featured now and way back when as well — it makes the comparisons to the *other* soft anniversary (Thirtieth) interesting. I think more was done then, with very little, than now — with much more.

I am in two minds particularly about the documentary, and ask if Tennant was even necessary. It pales in comparison to ‘thirty years in the Tardis’ and even its Radio equivalent. Too much of a personal anchor I think, making the show almost about Tennant.

I suppose *most* of the stuff from the 30th is on release now, so maybe repeating themselves feels daft — but it didn’t stop them at 50, and 20 didn’t stop them at 30 et al.

Speaking of Radio equivalents, there were some on BBC Sounds etc, and I think the Wilderness Years Doc could have done with an expanded run time. Was amusing to hear from Gatiss on Nightshade though.
 
I don't really understand how you can say the 30th anniversary was better, unless it's nostalgia. We got Dimensions in Time, 30 Years in the Tardis, and a repeats of Planet of the Daleks.

This time we got three specials, a Children in Need skit, The Daleks colourised, six Tales of the Tardis, new documentaries including loads of audio content, the repeat of AAIST with added Ncuti, and the entire back catalogue on iPlayer. And most importantly, we got the show revitalised and renewed for a whole new era.

And we shouldn't forget that Power of the Doctor was only a year earlier and brought back all the surviving classic Doctors (except Tom), plus Tegan, Ace, Jo, Mel and Ian bloody Chesterton! It would have been redundant to bring them all back again in the 60th specials, but they still included Mel and the Toymaker, on top of all the returns in Tales of the Tardis.

Can we all just agree that the 60th anniversary was miles better than the 40th! :lol:
 
I don't really understand how you can say the 30th anniversary was better, unless it's nostalgia. We got Dimensions in Time, 30 Years in the Tardis, and a repeats of Planet of the Daleks.

This time we got three specials, a Children in Need skit, The Daleks colourised, six Tales of the Tardis, new documentaries including loads of audio content, the repeat of AAIST with added Ncuti, and the entire back catalogue on iPlayer. And most importantly, we got the show revitalised and renewed for a whole new era.

And we shouldn't forget that Power of the Doctor was only a year earlier and brought back all the surviving classic Doctors (except Tom), plus Tegan, Ace, Jo, Mel and Ian bloody Chesterton! It would have been redundant to bring them all back again in the 60th specials, but they still included Mel and the Toymaker, on top of all the returns in Tales of the Tardis.

Can we all just agree that the 60th anniversary was miles better than the 40th! :lol:

More was done for the thirtieth, outside of any new Who on TV, including and particularly by the BBC. Pertwee in particular was *everywhere* at the time. (A pattern repeated for the fiftieth, and not at all for the fortieth)
The Children in Need Skit wasn’t really anything to do with the anniversary, they do them in non-anniversary years. The Tales Of The Tardis was not broadcast, but was good, and was a last minute addition. The new documentaries on TV… weren’t up to much. What was a little… disappointing, was that the ‘anniversary specials’ really were naff all of the sort. It was a short series 4 redux, and *all* about that. I haven’t listened to all of the radio ones yet, but the wilderness one was too short.
The Power of the Doctor was absolutely better as an anniversary Who (ironically) and it almost feels like they swapped scripts when no-one was looking. Heck, the stookie bill stuff would have made *more* sense for the BBC Centenary, in exactly the way the past Doctors and Companions (by far the best bit of that show) and the running time itself made more sense for Who’s own birthday.

There’s still merch coming now with the 60th logo on, but that was… last year.
You couldn’t move for that 30th diamond on tat back in 93. 24 novels was it? Radio Times style special mag, video cabinets, the last legs of the Dapol range maybe? Bunch of VHS releases — many of which were being thrown on Breakfast TV as competition prizes. Even the aborted Dark Dimension was nabbing full page news stories. Thirty Years in the Tardis, and that single story repeat led to a whole few years of repeats. (Not to mention the era of Def II The Daleks…)
The Daleks in colour felt like an interesting oddity in comparison.

It was a different time, but corporation and public interest certainly seemed so much higher. Public interest, not fan interest, and not viewing figures alone either. In an era where geek has been mainstream a couple of decades now, and Picard will redecorate an entire Tube station as an ad stunt, it all seems very low key.
Even the official Beeb response to the viewing figures manages to *not talk about Who*.
Funnily enough, it’s a similar tack they took with Top Gear when that wasn’t en vogue or entirely in house.

It’s fairer to compare it to the fiftieth, but it would come up short again.

Ncuti may be the last Doctor for a while, and I am not sure I am as bothered by that as I used to be. I am bothered by some of the shoddiness around his introduction. All of the shoddiness in fact. It should have been *more*.
 
Filming in Penarth for the next season

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Nah I reckon the plan is to have two seasons in the can and then give him time off for other projects. I bet they won't film his third season till the middle of next year now. (but what do I know?)
 
Random thought but I wonder what, if anything, this means for Varada with regard to Andor and *Annika?

* I was today years old when I realised she was the new DS in Annika!
 
Random thought but I wonder what, if anything, this means for Varada with regard to Andor?

There's going to be a big gap between S2 and S3 so Ncuti can go back on stage, so there should be enough time for 'Andor' S2, which got delayed by the strikes anyway.
 
There's going to be a big gap between S2 and S3 so Ncuti can go back on stage, so there should be enough time for 'Andor' S2, which got delayed by the strikes anyway.
Andor is almost finished filming. Diego Luna said at the Emmys that he has only nine days left (or some small figure close to that). Granted there's a lot of filming that doesn't involve him but it's probably a good indicator of how much is left overall.
 
He’ll have filmed his third year by Easter at this rate.
Not long ago the popular complaint around here was that Chibnall took far too long to film seasons, and now we have a complaint RTD is filming them too quickly? Amazing how the times change.
Random thought but I wonder what, if anything, this means for Varada with regard to Andor and *Annika?
Andor is almost finished filming. Diego Luna said at the Emmys that he has only nine days left (or some small figure close to that). Granted there's a lot of filming that doesn't involve him but it's probably a good indicator of how much is left overall.
Yeah, as far as Andor is concerned, it's possible she's already finished filming her material for S2. Granted, depending on how much of Andor S2 she's in, it's possible she jumped nearly directly from Andor into Doctor Who, but that's show biz, I guess.
 
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