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Yeah, that does seem like the best possiblity. If #3 is that brutal, it makes me wonder if some of what the personality switches in the first episode were to him and not Mark.
Was Layla's father one of the archeologists in the group that were all killed or was his murder separate from that?
Does anyone know what that was they were doing with the poles and horses? I've never seen that before.
 
I just watched the first two episodes last night, and the third just now. It's not really grabbing me, it seems very dull and sketchy and by-the-numbers in a way I haven't seen from the MCU since, I guess, Thor 2. It's not as overtly shoddy as "Inhumans," but it doesn't feel well-paced or thought out. As has been mentioned, I figured out what was going on despite having only the vaguest awareness of "Moon Knight is Batman if he was actually nuts" almost immediately in the first episode once we combined Steven's "sleepwalking" with people telling him about things he didn't remember doing, and just kept being ahead of the show in a way I don't think was intended. Like, I was already asking, "Why would a married man be coming on to woman when he knew he had no way to actually make the date?" and then it gets answered with the reveal of the third personality, which gets no further exploration in this episode, so next week there's going to be a big twist that I already figured out (with some help from the rest of you about the "shocking" part). It just feels really padded out.

Then there's the part about the shifting night sky being excessive considering that Layla's tablet could certainly already do that, and also the fact that celestial navigation doesn't work like a GPS. They'd need a very precise time and a very complete note of the sky (or a specific star) to get anything useful, and I don't think ancient Egypt had navigation-grade mechanical clocks. But that's just movies not knowing how the sky works, the thing that really bothered me was, how did Layla know to gather the fabric from the burned mummy? She was way the hell outside the building, she didn't hear Steven and Marc talking about it, the bodyguard didn't comment when he saw Marc messing with the artifact, she just somehow knew where the clue was.

Hard to imagine a Disney/Marvel show not having the budget to have something in another language properly scripted and coached. I mean, Barbara Eden spoke actual Persian in the I Dream of Jeanie pilot. It's not rocket science. But, c'est la vie.

I haven't been taking notes, but I've been getting the vibe this show is stretching its budget with a lot less grace than I'm used to seeing, both from the MCU and just in general. Some of it has dramatic justification, like cutting around the fights in the first episode, or the ghost-jackal not affecting anything during the museum chase, but by the second time there was a fight with an invisible monster, and we were mostly seeing it from a perspective where it was invisible, I started to get suspicious. There were also some very conspicuous bluescreen (or LED wall) shots, like Marc looking out the window at the pyramids, and I suspect the boat ride in this past episode, as well. It could also have been the virus, but I just feel like I'm watching them gradually run out of money as the show goes on.

My point is that if I'm not just mistaking a stylistic choice for a practical limitation, not getting a proper dialogue coach for a two-line exchange seems like a very easy corner to cut.
 
For me Oscar Isaac is by far the reason I'm enjoying this show so much. I agree with nearly all of the criticisms of the show mentioned above. If this were the MCU, at this point the Avengers should have been activated and already narrowed their target to Egypt. The star swirling was just absurd, and the fight scenes are lackluster to say the best.

I am intrigued by where the story is going, but this should have been a movie or it should have been a longer show in the style of the Netflix shows with more focus on characters and story as fewer eclipses and star swirls. Episode 3 just broke my willing suspension of disbelief.
 
My point is that if I'm not just mistaking a stylistic choice for a practical limitation, not getting a proper dialogue coach for a two-line exchange seems like a very easy corner to cut.
I know a dozen people I could call right now that could teach someone to pronounce a couple of sentences in Mandarin properly. Most would do it for nothing, some would charge $40, and others would just ask for their name in the credits as payment. It's the last thing that would be a budgetary issue. Hell, I'll bet Simu Liu would have done it for free if he happened to be walking past the set.

This is more a case of either someone just not thinking or just not caring. I think that's why Simu pointed it out.
 
Saw a funny fan theory online. What if the third personality was Deadpool? Yeah, I know they won't do it here but there is a future possibility that could be played with if they decide to take that direction.
 
This is more a case of either someone just not thinking or just not caring. I think that's why Simu pointed it out.

He's not shy about expressing his opinions and hasn't tried to be diplomatic about it in the past. He's either got someone coaching him these days or he has changed his approach, but he's become much more controlled in how he calls these things out. The MCU must have known that aspect about him when they hired him, and understand that he is going to hold them, and Disney, accountable in the public forum.
 
WOW. Episode 4 is a bat sh$t crazy mind trip. The first half is an indiana jones episode with nice horror, suspense and some backstory on Marc and the second half just flips everything on its head and will leave you going "what the F?"
 
So looks like they've moved into a straight-up adaptation of Jeff Lemire and Greg Smallwood's 2016 series.
 
WOW. Episode 4 is a bat sh$t crazy mind trip. The first half is an indiana jones episode with nice horror, suspense and some backstory on Marc and the second half just flips everything on its head and will leave you going "what the F?"
Well, I wouldn't quite say "half," more like the last ten minutes of 35, after he got shot. The last section made sense to me as being entirely in his head. I thought the last sarcophagus would be the third personality, probably will be. The hippo chick was pretty wacky. I want to see more.
 
Now that's much more like it. And that's even before you get to the final act twist.

I'm a real sucker for tomb exploring and this episode really excelled in that genre. Not just the history and mysticism, but also the blooming relationship between Steven and Layla. I've adored her since the beginning but she really shined in this episode. I loved how she was able to fight the mummy on her own merits and still feel human enough that she felt overwhelmed and traumatized by the experience after surviving.

Harrow continues to be a complete douche, trying to manipulate Layla against Marc and Steven and presenting it as the Truth. Just deserts are coming his way, I should hope.

But how about that final act? I knew there was going to be more to Marc getting shot but that was not what I expected. And I should've expected it because the directors did tell us ahead of time that episode four would make us question everything and we even saw a still of Oscar Isaac in that all-white set. The whole mental health ward in his head immediately reminded me of Legion so I'm very curious to see how it plays out (complete with its direct hint to the already alluded third personality...). And I loved the cliffhanger with the hippopotamus! Can't get much better than that!
 
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I wasn't really feeling the last two episodes but this one was great, probably the best so far.

Still think this should have been a movie, though.
 
That was the best episode yet, both very different parts of it.
The stuff in the tomb was great, with all of the fun bit of mythology and the development of Steven and Layla's relationship. It sounds like it was a completely seperate person who killed her father, and not the third personality (according to the stuff I've read online in the comics his name is Jake Lockley).
I think the whole sequence with the mummy had to be the closest to full on horror the MCU has gotten so far, and it was great. Love that Layla was able to fight off the mummy on her own.
Do we know yet if this is going to be just a one season limited series or could we get more? If we aren't going to get more, than I say we should get a Layla spin-off instead.
The stuff in the mental hospital was great, and Indiana Jones rip-off was really funny.
I was a little surprised they broke the illusion so quickly, I expected them to go a little longer.
The hippo at the end was definitely a surprise.
I looked up a list of Egyptian dieties on Wikipedia, and the only hippo on the list is the goddess Ahti. I'm assuming that was probably her at the end then. All it says is about her is that she was a malevolent hippo goddess.
 
Harrow continues to be a complete douche, trying to manipulate Layla against Marc and Steven and presenting it as the Truth. Just deserts are coming is way, I should hope.
I noticed that Harrow never actually said that Marc killed her father. Avoided that statement completely. Meandered around and said everything to imply it. But never said it.
 
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