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Well, they could trade away some of their high priced players for prospects, draft well, and actually rebuild. But I doubt they'd consider doing that any time soon.
 
Well, they could trade away some of their high priced players for prospects, draft well, and actually rebuild. But I doubt they'd consider doing that any time soon.

Please, Hank would start crying about how they aren't winning and would need a new blankie.

He is such a tool.
 
Not one of them was in the last 8 years. When they won championships, their payroll was a bit more reasonable and their farm system didn't suck ass.

it still doesnt change the fact that they have won 26. or that they are still among the elite teams in the american league.except for 2008 the yankees have been in the playoffs for 13 years straight . how many other teams can say that?:p

And yet everyone still hates them...

They have done jack shit since 2000, and while other teams show how to win with draft picks, prospects, and smart management, the Yankees just throw money at the problem. But its not their fault, their farm system sucks so much they have no other choice.

everyone hates them because they wish their teams where as great a franchise as the yankees!name another team in recent years that has had the success the yankees have had historically.go ahead.....
 
Not one of them was in the last 8 years. When they won championships, their payroll was a bit more reasonable and their farm system didn't suck ass.

it still doesnt change the fact that they have won 26. or that they are still among the elite teams in the american league.except for 2008 the yankees have been in the playoffs for 13 years straight . how many other teams can say that?:p

And yet everyone still hates them...

They have done jack shit since 2000.


really? so...... making the playoffs in 7 of the last 8 years and getting into the world series 2 times in that same eight years is"jack shit"? hmmmm, i bet most teams in the majors wished they did "jack shit" like that!:guffaw:
 
it still doesnt change the fact that they have won 26. or that they are still among the elite teams in the american league.except for 2008 the yankees have been in the playoffs for 13 years straight . how many other teams can say that?:p

And yet everyone still hates them...

They have done jack shit since 2000.


really? so...... making the playoffs in 7 of the last 8 years and getting into the world series 2 times in that same eight years is"jack shit"? hmmmm, i bet most teams in the majors wished they did "jack shit" like that!:guffaw:

When the team outspends the rest of the league by 70 million dollars plus, anything other then a WS win is jack shit.
 
Seriously, any team spending as much money on players as the Yankees should be winning the Series every year. The "26 championships" argument is old and tired. Those championships were won by real teams, people who came up in New York's farm system together. The Yankees haven't had a real team since they started throwing buckets of money at every free agent on the planet.
 
Im sorry Yankee fans do not realize this, but they do business differently from all the other teams in the league. We are not jealous of the Yankees, not at all, why would be? They can afford to overpay, and god DO they overpay, by a lot. On CC they were practically betting against themselves. They have to do it this way, because their farms system lags behind those of other contenders when it comes to producing MLB prospects.
The Yankees have two advantages right now.

First, they have YES Network. Yes, other teams, like the Orioles, have local sports networks, but they're not the cash cows that the YES Network is.

And second, they have New Yankee Stadium. And that gives them an advantage in the cash department, because they Yankees get to deduct their debt service payments from the luxury tax. The New York Times has more on this.
 
And yet everyone still hates them...

They have done jack shit since 2000.


really? so...... making the playoffs in 7 of the last 8 years and getting into the world series 2 times in that same eight years is"jack shit"? hmmmm, i bet most teams in the majors wished they did "jack shit" like that!:guffaw:

When the team outspends the rest of the league by 70 million dollars plus, anything other then a WS win is jack shit.



ha,ha, ha, your jealousy is showing pal.you wish your team spent the money on players that the yankees do!there is no reason other than greed by the other teams owners that they don't spend the money the yankees do, plain and simple.the yankees invest in their product unlike the rest of mlb.and btw if they are so "hated" according to you ,why have they had the highest attendance in baseball for the last 6 years?hmmmmmm.... oh wait , i guess by your rational everyone is coming to see them lose.don't worry there will be plenty of world championships in the future for the yankees. get used to it! :guffaw:
 
it still doesnt change the fact that they have won 26. or that they are still among the elite teams in the american league.except for 2008 the yankees have been in the playoffs for 13 years straight . how many other teams can say that?:p

And yet everyone still hates them...

They have done jack shit since 2000, and while other teams show how to win with draft picks, prospects, and smart management, the Yankees just throw money at the problem. But its not their fault, their farm system sucks so much they have no other choice.

everyone hates them because they wish their teams where as great a franchise as the yankees!name another team in recent years that has had the success the yankees have had historically.go ahead.....


btw your totally wrong! according to a harris poll for the last three years the yankees are the most popular team in the country.the fact is "YOU HATE THE YANKEES!"and for some reason feel that you have a need to keep hammering that point home!it's your opinion and your entitled to it. i don't like the red sox ,but i don't have any need or want to attack them as you do the yankees.i actually laud the red sox organization for taking a similar approach from the yankees of the nineties in the way they have gone about building their team. i think epstein is a much better gm than cashman, who btw is totally overated!but i have to ask this question.... where you so disdainful of baltimore in the nineties when they had the highest payroll in baseball? i think not.
 
Seriously, any team spending as much money on players as the Yankees should be winning the Series every year. The "26 championships" argument is old and tired. Those championships were won by real teams, people who came up in New York's farm system together. The Yankees haven't had a real team since they started throwing buckets of money at every free agent on the planet.

really? like babe ruth? or roger maris?the only reason the 26 championships is "tired" according to you is because your team hasnt won that many!
having the highest payroll doesnt guarantee anything! ask baltimore. they had the highest payroll in the early nineties. how many championships did they win?
 
There is a difference between being the highest payroll, the outspending the rest of the league by $70 Million.

I completely agree that the late 90's Yankee's teams were excellent teams, and true teams, built from players brought up through the farm, along with a couple superstars and mostly role players who knew how to play the game. And yes now the Red Sox have taken the same approach, and it has worked so far.

The problem is those young players who came up for the Yankees are not the same players they once were. And instead of going back to the late 90's plan of drafting and development, they started throwing money at the problem, and that is why they are where they are today. An extremely expensive club with that is older, with no young talent on the way. Besides Joba Chamberlain, none of their supposed prospects has worked out so far.

If they do win a championship or two over the next couple of years, it won't be because, as an organization, they were smart and worked on drafting and player development. It will be because they threw money, and years (since the Red Sox would never give a seven year contract to a pitcher) at a bunch of free agents that no team, not even the Red Sox, can afford.

And me, jealous of the Yankees? Never have been, never will be. Not everyone wants to be a Yankees fan.
 
I can`t wait to see Counting Calories Sabathia weight balloon in year 3 of the contract and he doesn`t opt out leaving the Yanks on the hook for the whole contract.
 
Seriously, any team spending as much money on players as the Yankees should be winning the Series every year. The "26 championships" argument is old and tired. Those championships were won by real teams, people who came up in New York's farm system together. The Yankees haven't had a real team since they started throwing buckets of money at every free agent on the planet.
really? like babe ruth? or roger maris?
Fair point, but I was really referring to the Yankees of the late 90s, just before the era of crazy contracts began. In all fairness, the Yankees weren't the ones who started it.
the only reason the 26 championships is "tired" according to you is because your team hasnt won that many!
No, it's tired because you, and many other Yankees fans, rely on your team's past as a crutch to excuse your current team. Hey, twenty-six championships, that's great. What have they done for you lately?
having the highest payroll doesnt guarantee anything! ask baltimore. they had the highest payroll in the early nineties. how many championships did they win?
I'm not sure I understand your argument. We're the ones trying to explain to you that the Yankees spending all the money they have been isn't going to win them anything.
 
Oh god this Yanks argument is getting tired. Who cares how much money the Yankees spend? It doesn't seem to get them anywhere anyway.

I'm curious as to what the AL fans in here think of Raul Ibanez, whom the World Champions signed to replace Pat Burrell in left field. For the Phils this looks like a signing to bridge the gap between the present and some prospects that may be ready during the third year of the deal when Raul will be 40 years old, and one that will replace Burrell's run production in the batting order. Ibanez was putting up good batting numbers in a pitchers park, so it will be interesting to see what he does in little CBP.

Biggest concern here is that it makes the middle of the Phillies lineup very heavy in lefthanded hitters. Might be very easy for teams to get advantageous pitching matchups.
 
If the Phillies were looking to improve on Pat Burrell, then they dropped the ball. Ibanez is not an upgrade in any category. He might do decently offensively, but he's actually worse than Burrell in the outfield.
 
I never really thought Burrell was bad in the field, he was just so friggin' slow that he couldn't reach the ball sometimes. If he got to it, he usually caught it. My understanding is that Ibanez is faster, but not by much. The other thing here is the salary consideration. Had the Phils offered Burrell arbitration (which he assuredly would have accepted) they would have been on the hook for at least $15-16 million. Ibanez is only costing them $10 mil. If this allows them to sign another (good) starting pitcher, then I'm okay with it. Burrell was a stand-up guy, and I'm going to miss him in red pinstripes.
 
If the Phillies were looking to improve on Pat Burrell, then they dropped the ball. Ibanez is not an upgrade in any category. He might do decently offensively, but he's actually worse than Burrell in the outfield.

The only way someone could be slower in the outfield is if their feet was encased in concrete (Burrell used to be a decent outfielder and he still has a strong arm, he just can't catch up to much). I don't think Ibanez can be worse, though. The fact that the Phillies have so many lefties is always a concern, although, ironically, the Mets just signed two new righties for their bullpen. The Phillies had wanted to make a trade for Mark DeRosa, but that apparently fell through.

I liked Burrell is his stay here. I'm glad he got a championship with the Phillies. I understand why they let him go, though. He would have had to take a big pay cut to make it worthwhile to keep him. He had some big hits for us, but, hopefully, Ibanez won't be as slump prone.
 
Seriously, any team spending as much money on players as the Yankees should be winning the Series every year. The "26 championships" argument is old and tired. Those championships were won by real teams, people who came up in New York's farm system together. The Yankees haven't had a real team since they started throwing buckets of money at every free agent on the planet.
really? like babe ruth? or roger maris?
Fair point, but I was really referring to the Yankees of the late 90s, just before the era of crazy contracts began. In all fairness, the Yankees weren't the ones who started it.
the only reason the 26 championships is "tired" according to you is because your team hasnt won that many!
No, it's tired because you, and many other Yankees fans, rely on your team's past as a crutch to excuse your current team. Hey, twenty-six championships, that's great. What have they done for you lately?
having the highest payroll doesnt guarantee anything! ask baltimore. they had the highest payroll in the early nineties. how many championships did they win?
I'm not sure I understand your argument. We're the ones trying to explain to you that the Yankees spending all the money they have been isn't going to win them anything.

i agree ! that was the point i was making. a high payroll guarantees nothing! problem with the yankees organization is that they will never take the time to replenish their farm system and rebuild. they want to win every year.
what they have done lately is to get in the playoffs 13 out of 14 years. it's hard to ask for more than that. once there as you know, the team with the hot hand wins out.i dont care how much your payroll is!
my mentioning the 26 championships is not a crutch as you say but rather a "fact" . like it or not.ive heard it mentioned here that that is in the past. well might i remind you bostons two series win,s are in the past as well. unless im mistaken they didnt win the series this year , did they?
the yankees choose to spend large sums of money to put the best team they can on the field. you may not agree with their methods , but they are playing within the rules set down by mlb.if there is ever a salary cap that will end.
 
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