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^suppose the only difference in comparing Boston and the Yankees lately is that there is a good percentage of the Sox team that has won a ring or two recently. Of the Yankees group, there are only a couple players (Jeter, Posada, Rivera, think that's it?) were part of the team's past success. Of the Sox players, only Bay, Lowrie, Masterson, and the new guys in the bullpen WEREN'T part of at least one of the two wins. (Lowrie and Masterson may have received rings based upon playing a game or two in 2007, not sure).

Either way, saying 26 championships is certainly impressive, but holding out a win from 1927 certainly doesn't imply anything about the current team, and not even really about the franchise. Different players, owners, era, and pretty much a different game. It's about as useful as a Sox fan pointing out that the Sox won 5 out of the first 15 or so. Doesn't really play into the argument, but interesting trivia.

To break it into more modern terms, the Yankees have won 6 times in the past 46 years. I'm almost 28, they've won 4 times in my lifetime. Also probably fair to note that after the strike in 95, they added the Wild Card, which allowed a pair of teams to play in the playoffs without winning the division. Since the Yanks and Sox played in the same division the whole time, might have changed the numbers a bit had that been in existance earlier. 2004 wouldn't have happened without it, for example.

Time to stop living off of past success and put up a win, eh? ;)

Really think that for long-term stability, the Yankees are going to have to step back at some point. They've had good excuses to do so the past 2 seasons, but can't bury the ego long enough to do so, and threw more money at the problem instead. May work in the short term, but doesn't make a stable franchise that way, and certainly helps them bleed money. The new stadium certainly will be a big help, but without the YES network, they'd have lost billions over the past few seasons.

That's something that makes me happy as a Sox fan; they've been successful at drafting and developing talent, and we're starting to get a strong young core of players to work around. When they make a splash in FA, it's to bolster a specific area, and mostly because they saved money with homegrown players in other areas. Bodes well for the team in the future, as long as they can bring up 1-2 successful players per year, they can keep the team young rather than overpaying for aging players that have their best behind them, and they have enough cash saved that when a special player comes along, they can still splurge and make the deal...
 
Well I had a great Star Trek/ Boston sports moment today. I listen to the radio show The Big Show on Boston's WEEI during the week. Its a roundtable type talk show where the announcers and former players talk about sports for four hours, and field calls and questions from listeners.

Well first off, one of the announcers, Pete Sheppard is a huge Star Trek nerd, and everyone makes fun of him for it. Well first he argued that Eric Mangini of the Jets is a Vulcan, and that he did a Vulcan mind meld on the coach of the Bills, and made him stop running the ball in the Jets win on Sunday, and had him starting to order deep throws off and turnover happy quarterback, which allowed the Jets to win.

And then later, they were talking about The Day The Earth Stood Still, and how Pete gave it a D- for a grade. At the end of the show, there is a segment called the The Whiner Line, where people call in and do little skits and jokes on an answering machine, and they play it back at the end of the show, and comment on everyone's whine. One guy calls in and goes, "Yeah, Pete, The Day The Earth Stood Still did suck. The only good part about it were the trailers, Wolverine, Watchmen, and Star Trek!" So of course Pete goes on this rant about how good the new Star Trek movie looks. Meanwhile I am sitting there laughing my ass off at the great combination of my two favorite subjects, Boston sports, and Star Trek.
 
just some info for you sox fans.... yanks are set to offer manny ramirez 80 mil for three yrs with option for 4th. personally i don't like him , although he is one of the premier clutch right handed hitter's in the game.but you guys know better than me what a clubhouse killer he is.
 
Yikes. Great hitter, yeah, but not really worth the money or the years anymore IMO. Have fun with him, Yankees players!
 
enjoy Manny! You may love him for a bit, but he'll also drive you nuts...

Funny that we don't hear anything about his sore knees anymore. You know, the ones that were so bad that he could barely walk in Boston, but miraculously healed the second he was traded, and never mentioned again... :lol:
 
just some info for you sox fans.... yanks are set to offer manny ramirez 80 mil for three yrs with option for 4th.

Oh, bloody hell. :wtf: That's all we need...

No kidding. More drama in the clubhouse. That's all we need. Okay, he's a great slugger but he's also a headcase and even Sox fans got sick of "Manny being Manny."

Manny will have to cut his famous dreads to conform with Yankee policy; will he think 80 million dollars is enough? :p
 
enjoy Manny! You may love him for a bit, but he'll also drive you nuts...

Funny that we don't hear anything about his sore knees anymore. You know, the ones that were so bad that he could barely walk in Boston, but miraculously healed the second he was traded, and never mentioned again... :lol:
you mean the knee that bothered him so much that when he went to the doctor and he asked which one was hurt and manny didnt know? what a great citizen.:guffaw:
 
You think it will be bad at Yankee stadium? Wait till he returns to Fenway...I am being serious, it will be fucking dangerous.
 
That would be FANTASTIC, as I've got tickets to that game. Not that I want to see Manny in pinstripes (although watching him in LF at Yankee Stadium on a regular basis would be hilarious), but if it happens, I'll be there to see in person.

Also, haven't seen it mentioned yet, but the Sox owners are reported to have flown down to Texas to potentiall finalize a deal with Teixiera, so that's good news :)
 
You think Damon's first game as a Yankee at Fenway was bad? Wait for the Manny show...

And I saw the Teixiera news....excellent. Even though the Angels fans hate the Sox enough already, I wonder what they are gonna do if they loose him to the Sox?
 
I was at Damon's first game in Fenway. :p And no, it really wasn't that bad. Booed him a bit, but it wasn't terrible. Mirabelli came back that game too, and there was more cheering for him than booing for Damon...
 
Damn Scout you get to all the good games...:lol:

The best game I have gone to in the last few years was Dice-K's debut game against the Yankees. He did alright...5 ER in 7.1 innings, but it was also the night of the back to back to back to back homers from Manny, Drew, Lowell, and Tek. That was an awesome experience.
 
You think Damon's first game as a Yankee at Fenway was bad? Wait for the Manny show...

I think Manny will get the treatment he'll get at Yankee Stadium not because he *used* to play for the Sox (as has been pointed out already, Damon is doing just fine), but because of what he *is*, no matter which team he happens to be playing for at the moment. And that is, an insensitive prima donna who doesn't seem to give a shit about anything.

The term "clubhouse killer" is a perfect encapsulation of what Manny is.
 
^that's great if he's playing for another team and shows up in the Bronx. When you overpay for him as a free agent, kiss his ass to get him to show up, and THEN give him that treatment, it's either hypocritical or just plain dumb. If he's that bad, don't reward him by signing him. If you're just overpaying for every FA regardless of character or past problems, you deserve what you get (and it won't be a ring).
 
Evidently there has been a fall out between the Sox and Teixiera during the negotiations. Evidently another team has stepped in with a larger offer, and the Sox are standing firm. Hopefully it's the Nationals, so he will be a non factor. However, if its the Yankees, fuck them.

I swear I am not a big fan of a salary cap in the MLB, but how is it competitive it one team signs the top 4 free agents, assuming they sign Tex and Manny?
 
Evidently there has been a fall out between the Sox and Teixiera during the negotiations. Evidently another team has stepped in with a larger offer, and the Sox are standing firm. Hopefully it's the Nationals, so he will be a non factor. However, if its the Yankees, fuck them.

I swear I am not a big fan of a salary cap in the MLB, but how is it competitive it one team signs the top 4 free agents, assuming they sign Tex and Manny?


i'm hearing that it's the angel's not the national's or yankees.
 
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