Spoilers Marvel Cinematic Universe spoiler-heavy speculation thread

[The Nightmare Doctor]

Actually, if they ever do bring Jen into Daredevil, I want she and Karen to make Matt uncomfortable by comparing notes. That would be gold. I'm thinking of the scene where Rose and Sarah Jane bonded in "School Reunion".

That would be a lot of fun.

Damn, now I'll be disappointed when it doesn't happen.

 

[Set Harth]

It's the same reason why I give Christopher Markus and Steven McFeely's comments about their intention for the end of Steve Rogers' story as presented in Endgame - that,he went back into the past of his own timeline and married Peggy, thus creating a Closed Loop where he was always her unseen husband - more credence and hold said intent as Canonically binding over the Russo Brothers' interpretation that he created a Branched Timeline and then somehow acquired the Pym Particles necessary to return to his own timeline in the year 2023.

First of all, he can get as many Pym particles as he needs before going anywhere, so that's not even an issue.

As to the Word of God issue: as you know, the Russos disagree with the writers on this point. If I were to resort to a chess analogy I might argue that Director is a more powerful piece than Writer, so to speak. In any event it makes more sense to me that he went to a branch timeline if only due to the fact that that's how the QR time travel appears to work elsewhere in the film.

 

[DigificWriter]

Now that the subject of Daredevil is on my mind, I'm reconsidering whether or not to add Spider-Man: No Way Home - which Dario didn't specifically talk about ignoring - to my now-in-progress Daredevil Character Marathon.

 

[Turtletrekker]

Karen Page appeared in both seasons of The Punisher, so you should include those.

 

[DigificWriter]

Karen Page appeared in both seasons of The Punisher, so you should include those.

I'm specifically focusing this current Character Marathon just on Matt and Wilson Fisk in the interest of effective time management, so the bulk of Frank Castle, Luke Cage, Danny Rand, and Jessica Jones' individual stories are going to be segregated off on their own.

 

[theenglish]

For me, though, Dario's statement is proof enough that, for Daredevil: Born Again, the events of She-Hulk never happened even if Matt did wear a She-Hulk-style costume at some point between 2017 and 2027.

I prefer to think of it as an homage to his original costume.

 

[theenglish]

This is probably the much more likely route that a Tatiana appearance in Born Again would take, but it still wouldn't necessarily or automatically be a tacit acknowledgment of She-Hulk's events specifically (IMO) because the likely implication for why Matt would have been in California in the first place would be that he was visiting Karen sometime after Foggy's death in late 2025 rather than for the reasons depicted in She-Hulk.

I don't get this. Why do you have such a strong desire to justify the series doesn't have to exist? It was excellently written and acted, had a great cast, took some legacy characters in new and interesting directions, and had the right amount of humor and satire. Furthermore, it was done in the spirit of how the character is portrayed in the comics. Okay, it didn't deal with anything world shattering, but the satire was pretty spot on. If you're worried about the actual meta part of the ending then just wave that part away and we saw something slightly different than what happened in continuity.

 

[Guy Gardener]

If you can only get Adamantium from HARVESTING Celestial refuse... Then Wolverines metal claws are either brand new, or he's an Eternal?

 

[JD]

1. That's where you and I disagree.

2. I'm an 'absolutist' in that I treat Word of God statements (like Dario Scardapane's comment about ignoring the events of She-Hulk) as absolutely definitive and binding when they're not explicitly and definitively contravened by onscreen evidence

It's the same reason why I give Christopher Markus and Steven McFeely's comments about their intention for the end of Steve Rogers' story as presented in Endgame - that,he went back into the past of his own timeline and married Peggy, thus creating a Closed Loop where he was always her unseen husband - more credence and hold said intent as Canonically binding over the Russo Brothers' interpretation that he created a Branched Timeline and then somehow acquired the Pym Particles necessary to return to his own timeline in the year 2023.

In my 'absolutist' point of view, the inclusion of the She-Hulk Daredevil helmet in Born Again does not constitute evidence that is explicitly and unequivocally in opposition to Dario Scardapane's statement that he ignored the events of She-Hulk and that said events did not happen to the version of Matt Murdock that emerged following the retooling of Born Again.

It really is amazing the knots you will tie yourself into to try make it seem like you're not wrong, when you are very clearly wrong.