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What grade would you give the Marvel Cinematic Universe? (Ever-Changing Question)

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Turtletrekker said:
My guess for her and Malkovich is...

Philip and Alicia Masters.
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I don't know the Fantastic Four lore too well so while I knew who Alicia is (and some of the tragic history), I didn't know who Philip was until I looked him up. I've heard of the Puppet Master but didn't know any of the details.

Chances are you're probably right since they have a deeper connection to the Fantastic Four than What If...?'s brand new character, but I still wanted to dream.

Of course, there's already precedence for a What If...? actor to voice a new character and then play a different character in live action: Devery Jacobs originated Kahhori for What If...? before going on to play Bonnie in Echo.
 
Will be interesting to see the boxoffice presale numbers.

EDIT: Oh interesting, so this is what BoT Forums are saying:
The Fantastic Four: First Steps

T-49

Thursday: 6,295 Seats Sold (From 16 Theaters)

Comps:
Captain America: Brave New World - $21.19M
Thunderbolts - $21.64M
= $21.42M

Taken as of 12:50 AM Eastern Time

IMPORTANT NOTES: Yeah, I literally cannot come up with another word to describe this pre-sales start other than... FANTASTIC!

This is hands down the biggest single day that I've ever tracked for a movie (if we don't count Wicked's first pre-sales day of combined EA screenings and Thursday previews) and as far as my two MCU comps, it blew right past them. To a point where this almost doubled what Thunderbolts and Captain America: Brave New World sold within their first day of pre-sales (3,345 and 3,565 seats respectively). With a pre-sale window of 50 days and having this much demand so early, it shows that interest is very high amongst seeing this film, which bodes incredibly well for when it opens in late July and amongst the other big summer competition

However, as is to be expected from an MCU movie, this is going to be front-loaded. We won't know for sure until we see critical/audience reception and how it paces closer to its release week, but on opening weekend and in the heat of the summer when most people are off work/school, I'm not expecting a super high IM. Thankfully, previews seem to point to a Thursday of at least $20M and if this has an IM of just 5x, that would get it to a $100M opening. I sadly don't have any July MCU comps, but last year, Deadpool & Wolverine had a near 5.5x Thursday-Sunday IM that got it to a jaw-dropping $211.4M opening weekend off of $38.5M in previews.

If Fantastic Four follows that same IM and off a Thursday that (if this holds) looks to land somewhere between $20M-$25M, then we're looking at a big opening weekend range of $110M-$138M. Of course, if reception isn't where it needs to be, there is always a chance this plays closer to another July MCU release, Thor: Love and Thunder. That film had a 4.97x multiplier and would just barely get this to over a $100M opening, but if critical reception and audience word-of-mouth is genuinely positive, then the IM should be much closer to Deadpool & Wolverine.

Anyways, as or right now (and still with a VERY long way to go until we get to T-3), the goal for this is to stay in the range of $20M-$25M. If so, then a $100M+ opening is most likely guaranteed and it'll be entirely up to word-of-mouth to determine how far this movie goes.

Like Captain America: Brave New World and Thunderbolts before it, I will be tracking this day-by-day for the next week (hopefully will be done as soon as Superman starts its pre-sale run) and after I'm finished, will go back to tracking it week-by-week until the final days leading up to release. It's going to be another long pre-sales run to track, but if this great start is any indicator of what is to come, then I am excited to see where else this movie goes.

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That's encouraging! Good to know Thunderbolts didn't make the general audience lose interest!
 
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I don't see how the movie can have legs. Doesn't Superman and the new Jurassic Park movie come out at the same time? Seems like one of these 3 movies is going to be hurt.
 
Jayson1 said:
I don't see how the movie can have legs. Doesn't Superman and the new Jurassic Park movie come out at the same time? Seems like one of these 3 movies is going to be hurt.
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Depends on how the movies are received but I think Superman is the most likely to be hurt because it's released between the other two.
Jurassic World comes first and it's a killer franchise, Superman releases just one week later while Jurassic World is presumably still very strong, then two weeks after Superman comes Fantastic Four and if it's well received could easily cut off Superman's legs so Superman could potentially be hurt at both ends, by Jurassic world in its first week and by FF in the long run.
 
Takeru said:
then two weeks after Superman comes Fantastic Four and if it's well received could easily cut off Superman's legs so Superman could potentially be hurt at both ends
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I doubt even the Fantastic Four could cut off Superman's legs. At most, they could overpower him for a while. Well, Ben might knock him for a loop in a fight, Sue could hold him with her force fields at least temporarily, and Reed could probably deduce the source of his powers and build a red-sunlight ray to incapacitate him. Which might theoretically permit amputation, but at that point they'd have no reason to go that far.
 
Superman might actually be the one that will struggle a bit here, mainly because of what a trainwreck the DCEU sadly ended up being even with Gunn restarting things. The MCU at least is starting to regain consumer confidence, Gunn has to make sure folks can get back the ruins before.
 
Is it? "Thunderbolts" seems to be well received by fans and critics but even it seems to have been a box office disappointment. Also my gut feeling suspects "Superman" is going to be the best movie. Still I actually think Jurassic Park might be the one most hurt. I know people like Dino's and they show up to these movies even when they are bad but surely that can't go on forever.
 
Mage said:
Ya'll way to preoccupied with box office and what other people think and should STFU and watch the damned movie and THEN decide if YOU like it or not. Not what social media or 'THE HOLY BOX OFFICE' says.

FFS......
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That might involve thinking for one's self and that doesn't happen on the Internet. It is pure knee jerk reactionism.

I never knew I was to care so much about the box office until social media insisted it was the most important thing. After that, I didn't bother to watch movies. I also don't watch pro sports games either; I just listen to the pregame and watch the money line.

That's what it is all about, right? :rolleyes:
 
Mage said:
Ya'll way to preoccupied with box office and what other people think and should STFU and watch the damned movie and THEN decide if YOU like it or not. Not what social media or 'THE HOLY BOX OFFICE' says.

FFS......
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Yes, when movies that people love don't do well at the box office and don't get sequels, especially when a movie like Superman that was supposed to start a new DC universe is stillborn and has an open ending and people get upset because they think 'my ticket was wasted', I'll come out and say exactly that. In fact, I don't even go to the 'theater' for most movies. I wait for them to come out on iTunes etc.
 
Takeru said:
Depends on how the movies are received but I think Superman is the most likely to be hurt because it's released between the other two.
Jurassic World comes first and it's a killer franchise, Superman releases just one week later while Jurassic World is presumably still very strong, then two weeks after Superman comes Fantastic Four and if it's well received could easily cut off Superman's legs so Superman could potentially be hurt at both ends, by Jurassic world in its first week and by FF in the long run.
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Tough situation for the Gunn film. If the FF has any advantage, its the fact its finally the MCU version of the concept, and with that, there might be certain expectations regarding the team eventually mainlined into upcoming films (or, that's what some are suspecting, despite Feige complaining about that kind of format for MCU movies).


Jayson1 said:
Is it? "Thunderbolts" seems to be well received by fans and critics but even it seems to have been a box office disappointment. Also my gut feeling suspects "Superman" is going to be the best movie. Still I actually think Jurassic Park might be the one most hurt. I know people like Dino's and they show up to these movies even when they are bad but surely that can't go on forever.
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Exactly; its quite laughable for anyone to claim there's "consumer confidence" with Cap4 or Thunderbolts, when the actual profit beyond the investment is considered. Both films underperformed to a great degree, which is part of the recent MCU trend of major flops. This places a great deal of pressure on the FF to be the "transplant" necessary for the MCU to move forward.
 
Nerys Myk said:
Has anyone mention that this take on the Fantasticar is a nod to the Lincoln Future and the 66 Batmobile?
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The FF car looks like its taking some design cues from one of the many versions of Darryl Starbird's Predicta--

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TREK_GOD_1 said:
Exactly; its quite laughable for anyone to claim there's "consumer confidence" with Cap4 or Thunderbolts, when the actual profit beyond the investment is considered. Both films underperformed to a great degree, which is part of the recent MCU trend of major flops. This places a great deal of pressure on the FF to be the "transplant" necessary for the MCU to move forward.
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Neither of them "underperformed", considering the huge smear campaign against both films. Neither flopped either, in fact there is no "Recent MCU trend" of major flops. You've simply jumped on the hater bandwagon
 
Mage said:
Ya'll way to preoccupied with box office and what other people think and should STFU and watch the damned movie and THEN decide if YOU like it or not. Not what social media or 'THE HOLY BOX OFFICE' says.

FFS......
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This. I'll watch it, if I enjoy it, I'll probably pick it up on disc and go see Supergirl: Woman of Tomorrow next year in the theater. If I don't, I'll move on to whatever is next that catches my interest.

Anwar said:
Is it "apologist" to point out that there were huge smear campaigns against both these movies that most other MCU films didn't have?
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It really shouldn't have affected them too much, since most of the ticket buyers would be folks already accustomed to Marvel movies.
 
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