Spoilers Marvel Cinematic Universe spoiler-heavy speculation thread

[JD]

Tough situation for the Gunn film. If the FF has any advantage, its the fact its finally the MCU version of the concept, and with that, there might be certain expectations regarding the team eventually mainlined into upcoming films (or, that's what some are suspecting, despite Feige complaining about that kind of format for MCU movies).

We already know from the Thunderbolts post credit scene that the F4 are going to coming into the 616 by the beginning of Doomsday, since it was more or less a scene from Doomsday.

Exactly; its quite laughable for anyone to claim there's "consumer confidence" with Cap4 or Thunderbolts, when the actual profit beyond the investment is considered. Both films underperformed to a great degree, which is part of the recent MCU trend of major flops. This places a great deal of pressure on the FF to be the "transplant" necessary for the MCU to move forward.

Neither of them "underperformed", considering the huge smear campaign against both films. Neither flopped either, in fact there is no "Recent MCU trend" of major flops. You've simply jumped on the hater bandwagon

I can't believe I'm actually agreeing with @TREK_GOD_1 when it comes to the MCU, but Brave New World definitely underperformed and might even qualify as a flop, Thunderbolts did better, but I'm not sure if it did well enough to get out of the underperfomer category and might be just on the border of being another flop. And there was no "smear campaign" against either of them, Brave New World just didn't get a great reaction, but Thunderbolts on the other hand seemed to be a pretty positive reaction from what I've seen.
I think at this point we MCU fans might just have to accept that the MCU definitely is on a pretty big downward trend right now. There does seem to be a fair amount of enthusiasm for F4, but only time will tell what that means for the movie when it comes out.

 

[The Nth Doctor]

I'm over here, silly old me, just wanting to enjoy the films without the preaching about whether a film is a flop or not.

Did I enjoy Brave New World? No, I have a lot of fundamental issues with it, as I recently readdressed in the review thread.

Did I enjoy Thunderbolts*? Hell fucking yes!

Do I care how either of them performed in the box office? Nope!

I'm just sick and tired everyone focusing on box office takes and ratings and so on as if that's what determines my enjoyment of the film, or anyone else's for that matter!

So please stop acting like it matters beyond certain people loving to jump on the doomsaying wagon.

This rant extends to everything going on with Doctor Who right now and exactly the same kind of people.

 

[Jayson1]

Ya'll way to preoccupied with box office and what other people think and should STFU and watch the damned movie and THEN decide if YOU like it or not. Not what social media or 'THE HOLY BOX OFFICE' says.

FFS......

In the end that is all that I care about. If I like the movie or not. But it still can be fun to speculate about other aspects as well. People got to talk about something.

 

[JD]

I'm over here, silly old me, just wanting to enjoy the films without preaching about whether a film is a flop or not.

Did I enjoy Brave New World? No, I have a lot of fundamental issues with it, as I recently addressed in the review.

Did I enjoy Thunderbolts*? Hell fucking yes!

Do I care how they performed in the box office. Nope!

I'm just sick and tired everyone focusing on box office takes and ratings and so on as if that's what determines my enjoyment of the film, or anyone else's for that matter!

So please stop acting like it matters beyond certain people loving to job on the doomsaying wagon.

This rant extends to everything going on with Doctor Who right now and exactly the same kind of people.

I only care about it because of what it means for the future of the series. There are tons of movies I love that were absolute flops, even more so than the last few MCU movies, like The Last Witch Hunter and Jupiter Ascending.
I like to see things that I enjoy do well enough to get more installments so I can continue to enjoy it with other movies or seasons or whatever.

 

[theenglish]

For me, some of the biggest box office successes in the MCU were the biggest disappointments for me. I know I'm in the minority on those films and I haven't really posted my "feelings" about them --and even the worst of the MCU is still pretty good to me (excluding Secret Invasion). On the other hand, some of my favorites were considered to be under performers.

 

[fireproof78]

I'm just sick and tired everyone focusing on box office takes and ratings and so on as if that's what determines my enjoyment of the film, or anyone else's for that matter!

So please stop acting like it matters beyond certain people loving to job on the doomsaying wagon.

This rant extends to everything going on with Doctor Who right now and exactly the same kind of people.

When someone hands me some Disney stock I'll maybe give a shit about box office performance of a Marvel film. No, I don't care if it does well. I don't care if a sequel gets made. I don't care about the pop culture impact and I don't care if people remember it next year.

My investment begins and ends with "Did I feel I got my ticket price's worth?"

 

[Samurai8472]

The Fantastic Four: first steps theme released

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[Anwar]

I can't believe I'm actually agreeing with @TREK_GOD_1 when it comes to the MCU, but Brave New World definitely underperformed and might even qualify as a flop, Thunderbolts did better, but I'm not sure if it did well enough to get out of the underperfomer category and might be just on the border of being another flop. And there was no "smear campaign" against either of them

Er, you forgetting the very negative reaction Sam got for becoming the new Cap right from day one?

 

[JD]

That's not a "smear campaign" that's just people being unhappy.