Spoilers Marvel Cinematic Universe spoiler-heavy speculation thread
- Thread starter bbjeg
- Start date
Why recast? There's plenty of precedent for legacy heroes in the comics. Both Bucky Barnes and Sam Wilson have been Captain America. James Rhodes has been Iron Man. Currently in the comics, Jane Foster is Thor, Amadeus Cho is the Hulk, and Riri Williams is Ironheart, the replacement for Iron Man. Then there's the Miles Morales Spider-Man, who replaced Peter Parker in the Ultimate Universe and now coexists with him in the mainstream universe.
Of course, in the comics, it's rarely long before the original bearer of a hero name comes back, but it would make sense for the MCU to make the changes permanent, especially since some of the potential replacements have already been seeded. For myself, I would be perfectly glad to see Anthony Mackie take over permanently as Captain America.
It happens in comics all the time. How many Spider-mans have there been?
However comics are not published at a one book every other year pace. And the movie audience is much larger
Also, comics are not acted out by real people who get older. So they can keep bringing back the same characters indefinitely and have them never age, or else conveniently get de-aged when needed. In movies, with the actors eventually aging out of their roles, it'd make more sense to make legacy heroes permanent.
I would rather see Sebastian Stan take over as Captain America simply because the "Bucky as Captain America" story was far, far more interesting than the "Sam as Captain America" story was.
Why does that matter? The movies don't copy the comics stories verbatim, they tell their own stories in their own way, using the comics merely as seed material. A story that didn't work well in the comics can work much better onscreen (see Civil War). And Anthony Mackie is a far, far more interesting actor to me than Sebastian Stan. Even if the script of a Bucky-Cap movie were brilliant, I can't believe Stan could make it very interesting to watch. He's one of the dullest actors in the entire MCU, while Mackie is one of the most charismatic.
The question of "why does it matter if a story is more interesting" has to be about one of the dumbest one's I've heard in a while.
He didn't claim that they *must* do it a certain way based on irrefutable proof, he offered a subjective opinion based on personal preference. But hey, if you're that intent of beating up some straw men today, by all means have at it!
Last edited:
Was it?
Well, no more permanent than the versions they're replacing. They age too.
I don't know where you heard that, since it's certainly not even close to what I said. I simply stated what's already unambiguously true from abundant evidence: That movie stories are not identical to the comics stories they're based on, so a movie story about a certain topic can be interesting even if the comics story about it is not.
After all, the worth of a story is not in what it's about, it's in how it's told. The same topic can be covered interestingly by one story and uninterestingly by another. My point is that the comics story about a topic and the movie story about it are different stories, even if they have a subject in common. The MCU's Civil War is a very different (better) story than the comics' Civil War. The MCU's version of the Extremis story is very different from the comics' version. And so on. The same topic does not equal the same story.
In particular, "Sam Wilson as Captain America" is not a story. It's not even close to constituting a story. The story is about what he does as Captain America, what actions he takes, what decisions he makes, and what situations he faces. There's no reason why an MCU version of Sam-Cap would have to face any of the same decisions or situations as the comics' version of Sam-Cap. So there's no reason why the stories that are told about MCU Sam-Cap couldn't be more interesting than the different stories that the comics told.
Last edited:
Thought about making a thread for this but might as well just ask it here.
So the MCU is expanding quite a bit, never mind all the movies but soon enough they’ll be TV shows a plenty-
Agents of Shield, Daredevil, Jessica Jones, Agent Carter, Luke Cage, Iron Fist, Defenders, Inhumans, Runaways, Cloak & Dagger, New Warriors...
So obviously they're all pretty fragmented from one another for various reasons. But let's just say all of a sudden the word was crossovers crossovers crossovers.
Anything could go- Iron Man in Luke Cage, the Inhumans in Infinity War, Ant-Man and Rocket Raccoon, Jessica Jones meets Phil Coulson, Fitz & Simmons working with Bruce Banner... whatever you want.
Out of interest what would you most like to see? They're such a mish mash of styles but Spider-Man & Daredevil teaming up on the streets of New York would be top of my list, and especially if they met the other Defenders. Jessica Jones rolled her eyes enough at Daredevil, they'd probably pop out of her head at Spider-Man's antics
So the MCU is expanding quite a bit, never mind all the movies but soon enough they’ll be TV shows a plenty-
Agents of Shield, Daredevil, Jessica Jones, Agent Carter, Luke Cage, Iron Fist, Defenders, Inhumans, Runaways, Cloak & Dagger, New Warriors...
So obviously they're all pretty fragmented from one another for various reasons. But let's just say all of a sudden the word was crossovers crossovers crossovers.
Anything could go- Iron Man in Luke Cage, the Inhumans in Infinity War, Ant-Man and Rocket Raccoon, Jessica Jones meets Phil Coulson, Fitz & Simmons working with Bruce Banner... whatever you want.
Out of interest what would you most like to see? They're such a mish mash of styles but Spider-Man & Daredevil teaming up on the streets of New York would be top of my list, and especially if they met the other Defenders. Jessica Jones rolled her eyes enough at Daredevil, they'd probably pop out of her head at Spider-Man's antics
Squirrel Girl and Iron Man. It has to be. Downey doesn't even have to show up -- Doreen could just trade texts with him, like in the comics, or like Kara did with Clark in season 1 of Supergirl.
I agree with Spidey/Daredevil. I'd love to see D'Onofrio's Kingpin show up in a Spidey movie.
If Talbot were still available, I'd like to see him go after the Hulk.
I agree with Spidey/Daredevil. I'd love to see D'Onofrio's Kingpin show up in a Spidey movie.
If Talbot were still available, I'd like to see him go after the Hulk.
I just want to see the world where the exponential increase in the enhanced show up. Going beyond Captain America giving battle instructions of enhanced being around something like the world of X3 where someone between an Avenger and a normal person shows up. Since it can't go the other way maybe Avengers support personnel like the Captain's orders ex S.H.I.E.L.D agent shows up
I'm hoping we eventually get to see the AoS characters meet the Avengers. A Black Widow, May, Daisy team up would be pretty cool.
Incorporating Sharon Carter into AoS seems like kind of a no brainer, and there even were plans to bring her in at one point but Emily Van Camp was too busy with Revenge at the time. Revenge has been over for a while now, so she at least doesn't have a regular gig to work around as far as I know.
Incorporating Sharon Carter into AoS seems like kind of a no brainer, and there even were plans to bring her in at one point but Emily Van Camp was too busy with Revenge at the time. Revenge has been over for a while now, so she at least doesn't have a regular gig to work around as far as I know.
Perhaps, but she really hasn't had much to work with so far. I haven't seen her in anything else, so I can't judge there, but her role as Sharon has been pretty limited.
Well, narrating is only one aspect of acting and it's hardly conclusive to one's overall acting ability if one isn't good at it. Just ask Harrison Ford.