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What grade would you give the Marvel Cinematic Universe? (Ever-Changing Question)

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It's kind of a shame that they've already utilized Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch in the MCU. Magneto will have to find a new Brotherhood it would seem.

I would love to see Deadpool 3 happen in the MCU with Ryan Reynolds and his character completely unchanged, with the Deadpool character making a few jokes breaking the fourth wall about the Disney deal and then just moving on from there.

ETA: Bob Iger has no problems with making R-rated Deadpool movies...

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Turtletrekker said:
All right. The X-Men and the Fantastic Four are coming home. What do you hope to see Kevin Feige do with these jewels of the Marvel crown?
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I like the idea that of the X-Men being a hidden team secretly seeking out and when needed fighting other mutants. Mutants should also be a recent phenomena. Only a small portion of the population are mutants. The wake up call is of course Magneto and the Brotherhood and their pro mutant and anti human terrorism. And I want full bore fascist Magneto who wishes to place humans under the thumb of Homo Superior and Homo Superior under the thumb of Magneto. And the only thing standing in his way is the X-Men. Start with the original five and bring in the others as the series progresses.

Taking a page from the comics, the FF could start with the heroes already with their powers and only briefly flashback to their origin. Doom might be a better choice as a first than the Mole Man, but I would resist the idea of tying Doom directly to the FF's origins. So maybe a full movie fighting Doom should wait until a sequel. Have him be someone talked about or briefly seen in the first film.
 
If Homecoming is anything to go by, they're going to deliberately pick and choose aspects from the comics that the Fox movies haven't really touched, for the sake of differentiation. And I'd imagine, since it's now going to be a shared universe with the Avengers, they'd emphasize the aspects that differentiate the X-Men from that more classic-type superhero team.

Looking at all that, the first thing that comes to mind is the angry revolutionaries "mutant nation" Cyclops-as-Che-Guevara angle that the comics have leaned into in recent years... which could be interesting.
 
One idea I like is have the MCU's Fantastic Four be a period piece taking place in the 1960's, instead of present day. They can have them show back up in present day later if them must simply by having them trapped in some wibbly spacey dimensiony thingy where time goes all wonky for 50 years.

I suppose they could also do something similar with the X-men, but personally I rather prefer it to be kept separate. Maybe a compromise could be using the multiverse to facilitate any crossovers? (Hell, the Fantastic Four's dimension jumping shenanigans could even facilitate just that!) That could be the best of of both worlds as it allows for solo x-men movies that do their own thing and for a few of the more popular characters (like Wolverine, X-23, etc.) to appear in the exiting MCU just by having them be multiverse refugees or something.

I always felt that between the X-men's seemingly perpetual "near future" setting and how fundamentally the "mutant question" would shape society at large, that corner of the franchise was somewhat incompatible with the totality of everything else.

Turtletrekker said:
It's kind of a shame that they've already utilized Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch in the MCU. Magneto will have to find a new Brotherhood it would seem.

I would love to see Deadpool 3 happen in the MCU with Ryan Reynolds and his character completely unchanged, with the Deadpool character making a few jokes breaking the fourth wall about the Disney deal and then just moving on from there.

ETA: Bob Iger has no problems with making R-rated Deadpool movies...

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The beauty if Deadpool as a character is that continuity doesn't even matter. You never know where reality stops and his delusions begins. For all we know Colossus & NTW were figments of his imagination. ;)
 
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Reverend said:
I always felt that between the X-men's seemingly perpetual "near future" setting and how fundamentally the "mutant question" would shape society at large, that corner of the franchise was somewhat incomparable with the totality of everything else.
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The way FOX did it, maybe. But the MCU X-Men would exist in a world that's already more along than the FoX-Men world was (knowledge of aliens and stuff). The MCU X-Men would actually probably start succeeding in their mission instead of being fine with the status quo.
 
Anwar said:
The way FOX did it, maybe. But the MCU X-Men would exist in a world that's already more along than the FoX-Men world was (knowledge of aliens and stuff). The MCU X-Men would actually probably start succeeding in their mission instead of being fine with the status quo.
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I think we already had this exchange some months back but to reiterate: I'm not saying they can't co-exist or even that I think they shouldn't. Just that to do proper justice to the premise of mutants as second class citizens--a problem that should by rights effect the *whole* world, not just one contextually isolated corner of it--it'd be a lot easier if they existed in their own universe instead of shoved in alongside everyone else.

A secondary consideration, but it'd be pretty tough to retcon a history of mutant oppression into the MCU as it stands without it seeming to materialise out of thin air. Much easier to go the multiverse route and has the benefit of opening up the scope of the stories they can tell and would seem like a natural progression from what was started (conceptually, at least if not literally) with 'Doctor Strange'.
 
Reverend said:
I think we already had this exchange some months back but to reiterate: I'm not saying they can't co-exist or even that I think they shouldn't. Just that to do proper justice to the premise of mutants as second class citizens--a problem that should by rights effect the *whole* world, not just one contextually isolated corner of it--it'd be a lot easier if they existed in their own universe instead of shoved in alongside everyone else.
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And what's wrong with having the X-Men start off that way, or close to it, and then start to SUCCEED at their mission of making things better? As opposed to the FoX-Men films, where they're pretty incompetent?

A secondary consideration, but it'd be pretty tough to retcon a history of mutant oppression into the MCU as it stands without it seeming to materialise out of thin air.
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Build up to it, instead of having it already happen in the past. That's what the X-Men comics did at the very start, the world didn't start off hating mutants.
 
Anwar said:
And what's wrong with having the X-Men start off that way, or close to it, and then start to SUCCEED at their mission of making things better? As opposed to the FoX-Men films, where they're pretty incompetent?

Build up to it, instead of having it already happen in the past. That's what the X-Men comics did at the very start, the world didn't start off hating mutants.
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You can't have it both ways. A movie about a new and growing social problem in the present day that is instantly solved is a story with exactly zero drama and zero stakes. Half the point of the X-men is that it's an allegory for civil rights. That's a problem which is *always* informed by history and never something easily solved, if ever.

Indeed, the main point of contention that separates Xavier from Magneto is that Xavier favours the long, difficult road to co-existence while Magneto wants the problem solved *now*, typically by exterminating or turning the tables on the oppressive non-mutant humans.
 
Reverend said:
You can't have it both ways. A movie about a new and growing social problem in the present day that is instantly solved is a story with exactly zero drama and zero stakes.
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I'm not saying solve it in one movie. I'm saying have them solve it over the course of their movies. Which the FoX-Men films never had the balls to do.

Indeed, the main point of contention that separates Xavier from Magneto is that Xavier favours the long, difficult road to co-existence while Magneto wants the problem solved *now*, typically by exterminating or turning the tables on the oppressive non-mutant humans.
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And I'm saying show us the dawn of mutants, incidents that cause them to start to be feared, and then how they deal with it and solve it. All while dealing with all the other stuff in the MCU like alien invasions and stuff.
 
I doubt that was the original intent as well, but it would certainly work now. Assuming the deal goes through.
 
I guess they're not doing a big Phase Four announcement. This feels like a big story to pop up at 7pm on a Wednesday.
 
Well, for the record, the movie hasn't been greenlit yet. But the fact that they're actually developing one is news, simply because they've stubbornly ignored the prospect of a solo Black Widow movie for so long.
 
Turtletrekker said:
Well, for the record, the movie hasn't been greenlit yet. But the fact that they're actually developing one is news, simply because they've stubbornly ignored the prospect of a solo Black Widow movie for so long.
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Wasn't Ike Perlmutter or whoever actively resisting letting the MCU do films with nonwhite or female leads? It's been a few years since the movies were taken out of his control, and we've got Black Panther and Captain Marvel coming up, but I suppose Johansson's busy schedule may have been a hurdle to getting this done.

Whatever the case, I'm glad there's finally some movement on this. Ironically, it was just a day or two ago that I saw an article talking about a new movie called Red Sparrow, about a Russian ballerina trained to be a spy, and saying that it was as close to a Black Widow movie as we were ever likely to get. Still, I bet that article's writer would be glad to be proven wrong.
 
Christopher said:
Wasn't Ike Perlmutter or whoever actively resisting letting the MCU do films with nonwhite or female leads?
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Yep, he was also the one who more or less changed the plot to Iron Man 3 (where Maya was supposed to be the real villain) because he didn't think female characters sold well.
 
It's taken long enough. It's ridiculous that it's taken this long for her to finally get her movie.
I hadn't heard that about Perlmutter before, but it does explain a lot.
 
Alidar Jarok said:
I guess they're not doing a big Phase Four announcement.
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I think they will, but they kind of have to wait for the rest of us to find out what happens after the big throwdown with Thanos. There could be some major changes, and I don't just mean "character X dies" or something like that. There is the potential for reality to be reset.

Though at some point they're going to have to actually start filming phase 4 movies before Avengers 4 comes out, and we're going to hear stuff.
 
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