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Marvel Animation’s X-Men ‘97 Discussion Thread.

Nobody stays dead in comics or this show. It's just how it goes. There used to be a phrase used often enough in comics, "Only Bucky stays dead" (or something close). And we see how that turned out.

But that's amazing news that the writing is done for season 2. Though kind of weird how it all ultimately went down.
 
Nobody stays dead in comics or this show. It's just how it goes.

Which, as I said, is the problem. "It's always been done that way" is an indictment, not a defense. What is the value of fiction that's entirely predictable and formulaic?


But that's amazing news that the writing is done for season 2.

Not at all surprising, given how long animation takes to produce, but still reassuring.
 
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Nobody stays dead in comics or this show. It's just how it goes. There used to be a phrase used often enough in comics, "Only Bucky stays dead" (or something close). And we see how that turned out.
I think it was Bucky and Uncle Ben, but now it's just Uncle Ben.
 
I think it was Bucky and Uncle Ben, but now it's just Uncle Ben.
And even Ben has been "kinda sorta" alive again here and there, however briefly. Mostly just as clones or some junk, but Strange once brought him back for real. But just for a few minutes.
He is though, as Miracle Max might say, mostly dead.
 
Which, as I said, is the problem. "It's always been done that way" is an indictment, not a defense. What is the value of fiction that's entirely predictable and formulaic?

Don't get me wrong, I totally agree with you.
I'm not defending it. I just know this isn't changing any time soon for a variety of reasons, so getting shocked at a comic character's "death" in most mediums is pointless, though it can still be done with weight, emotion and drama. But we're not fooled overall.
 
so getting shocked at a comic character's "death" in most mediums is pointless

When did "shocked" come into this? That's the exact opposite of what I'm saying, that character resurrections have become so routine and predictable that deaths have no emotional impact on the audience anymore and are just seen as minor obstacles to be reversed.

And I don't understand arguments like "we're not fooled." I mean, we all know this is imaginary, that these characters and their crises don't really exist. It's called willing suspension of disbelief. We choose to set aside our knowledge of the unreality and let ourselves believe in the world as the characters experience it. The characters don't know it's fictional, they don't know if a death will be reversed, and if a story is well enough told, we let ourselves get pulled along with its flow and feel it as the characters do. Experiencing fiction is about wanting to be fooled, wanting the illusion to be so compelling that we're happy to forget its artificiality.

So you're making my point for me. Overusing resurrection makes the illusion of a character death less compelling, harder for the audience to get drawn into.

Besides, comics and television/movies are two different things. Comics run for decades and need to keep churning out content, so eventually old characters and ideas get brought back even if they've been gone for decades. But TV and movie series have shorter runs, so it's more feasible to make a change permanent. There's no logic in assuming an adaptation has to do things exactly the same way as its source, the bad with the good. Adapting something to a new form is an opportunity to distill its best parts and leave out its bad habits. So you may be right that '97 was setting up a Gambit resurrection with that mid-credit scene, but that doesn't mean they had to. Not unless there's a genuinely worthwhile story there rather than just a formulaic reset button.
 
I agree with you. They don't have to. They can easily go an original more compelling route.
But they won't. And that's all I'm saying. We know they won't. They know they won't. They just won't. And it's unfortunate. Especially when there's no reason they couldn't.
 
But they won't. And that's all I'm saying. We know they won't. They know they won't. They just won't.

Not necessarily. It's conceivable that the arc of Apocalypse bringing Gambit back as a Horseman would end, not with him coming back to life for good, but with Rogue and the X-Men helping to free him from that enslavement by letting him return to death. Which would be painful and poignant and worth doing as a story. It would let them pay the actor for another season's (or partial season's) worth of episodes while still bringing Gambit's story to a real end.

No, I don't assume they will do that. But I'm not so cynical as to assume there's a zero percent chance of it. This show has already been much bolder than we ever expected it to be, so there's the possibility that it could surprise us again.
 
I have only seen a few episodes of the original show when it first aired. Do I need to watch those episodes before I watch the new ones to understand what is going on?
 
I have only seen a few episodes of the original show when it first aired. Do I need to watch those episodes before I watch the new ones to understand what is going on?

I don't think you need to. Most stories, even standalones, pick up in the middle of a history the audience hasn't seen and do the job of explaining it as they go; for instance, the very first X-Men comic ever written had Jean Grey showing up as a new member of the established Xavier School and learning about the team as she goes, just as Jubilee did in the X-Men: TAS premiere, Rogue and Wolverine did in the first movie, and Nightcrawler did in X-Men Evolution. So coming in at the middle is the default for X-Men stories. I think '97 did a pretty good job of reintroducing the characters and the world so that you can catch up pretty quickly. (It uses Bobby/Sunspot in much the same way, as the newcomer through whose eyes the audience gets the exposition.)

It's worth noting that when you finish an episode of X97, Disney+'s algorithm gives you a link to the first episode of the original show. So they're hoping that people who watch X97 first will then be inspired to check out the original for the added context. Which means it was in their best interest to make X97 work as an introduction to the universe.
 
So season 2 will slowly start the phasing out of writer/producer Beau DeMayo.

Beau DeMayo has revealed that while he wrote much of season two, things like overseeing final decisions on post, music, character design, and rewrites are no longer up to him, so he can't speak for what kind of vision we get from it.

https://www.ign.com/articles/fired-x-men-97-creator-beau-demayo-clarifies-involvement-with-season-2

Marvel Studios in the meantime have announced Beau's ideas for season two will be 'honoured', a third season with anew head writer will follow.

https://ew.com/x-men-97-season-2-ap...=new&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com


Brad Winderbaum has confirmed that the series “will have a new head writer for Season 3”
 
The making of special is up for XM97

Good special, talking as much about the original show as the remake. The one disappointment is that they didn't include Beau DeMayo at all, so there wasn't any real firsthand discussion of the writing process.

Interesting to hear the actors' natural voices compared to their character voices. Some, like Lenore Zann, Alison Sealy-Smith, and George Buza, sound very much like their characters, while others, like Cal Dodd and Ray Chase, sound quite different. Chase did such a dead-on recreation of Norm Spencer's Cyclops that I'm surprised how different he sounds. It was interesting to learn that they were specifically determined to recreate Cyclops's voice as accurately as possible, even more so than with characters like Xavier and Magneto.

Seeing the clips of the old show and its much cruder animation made me realize that the reason the new show's look seems so authentic is that it's based, not on what the old show actually looked like, but on the idealized version of it we have in our memories.

The bit at the end where the interviewees tried singing the theme music was cute in concept, but pretty cringe-inducing to someone with my near-eidetic recall for music and sound patterns. The only one who actually got it right was Dodd, which I guess is because he's a singer, as he said earlier.
 
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