Since many Maquis were Starfleet traitors and used their ranks and positions to give intelligence, supplies, weapons, etc. to the Maquis, it did become a problem for Starfleet.
Marqi did no wrong change my mind
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[Cardassian]Because, my dear admiral, they are still your people. They are still humans. They still claim to be Federation citizens. They are even being armed by Federation citizens and supported by Federation weapons and supplies. The claim that you were unable to remove simple farmers from worlds ceded to Cardassia by treaty; a treaty we signed in good faith, admiral, but apparently your side did not, is utterly ridiculous. Look around. There were no Cardassians left behind in the worlds now occupied by the Federation. We took care of our people. The fact is your government was either too weak and incompetent to effectively carry out the terms of the treaty or this was an intentional act by the Federation. Leaving these people behind so they could form a resistance, and then aiding this resistance is clear evidence of the evil motives on the part of the Federation and you never intended to live up to your side of the treaty. Your plan all along was really to continue the conflict with Cardassia. Now get your trash off our property or we will. [/Cardassian]
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And for the Federation.
What seems to be completely ignored in the ideas around the Maquis is that this was done as a treaty to stop a war that had already created extreme amount of conflict between two powers. Regardless of one might think of the treaty, the idea that continuing war is somehow more appropriate than finding a way to continue piece is a strange one to me, especially in light of episodes like "The Wounded" and Picard's approach to the Cardassian treaty. Watchful but supportive.
The Maquis act basically was trying guarantee the war would continue with little regard for the consequences, especially with support from Starfleet officers. The Cardassians would not care about were the weapons came from; only that the Federation was supporting attacks on their people.
How is that beneficial to anyone?
Yes, but I still find their usage here manipulative on the side of the writer.
Not all change is good change, after all.
The Maquis would hide from the Cardassians in Federation Space, an hide from the Federation in Cardassian Space, and hide from them both in the Demilitarized zone.
The Cardassians and the Federation were not going to allow foreign warships into their space indiscriminately, but they were going to enforce the shit out of their extradition treaty.
Maintaining the status quo for the sake of conservatism. That's the name of the game for today's pop culture.
TNG posited diplomacy as a net positive, something necessary for the benefits of the Federation to be meaningful and enjoyed by its citizens. However, it was never posited that there were things that by raison d'etat, might conflict with other values of the Federation. Althought the treaty signed after Journey's End was flawed, it nevertheless created a framework for addressing political problems between the two entities over the definitions of the borders and gave some mechanism for resolving grievances that were far less than war. And in spite of everything, the Cardassian Union did not go to war with either Federation or the Maquis colonies, even though it seemed to be always on the cusp of doing so. It was the Dominion, with new member Cardassia, that eliminated the Maquis. Moreover, it was not the purpose of the Dominion action to acquiesce to Cardassian interests (although I am sure that many Cardassians were happy), but part of a larger strategy of gaining hegemony over the Alpha Quadrant. Although it may have looked as if the Federation played it conservative with regards to the border planets, it helped to hold down the level of violence to some extent.
The Maquis Colonies were in the Demilitarized zone.
The Cardassians could only send in unarmed ships, staffed with unarmed soldiers to Fight the Maquis hand to phaser in the Zone, which would have been suicidal and dumb.
Also the Maquis had to be recognized as a Nation and a Government, rather than a criminal gang of terrorists, for war to be declared. Although this is something the Romulans should have done to sew discord and fun.
Oh dear. I think I hear violins.
BTW, there was definitely a time a marquee wronged me. My band Wye played at a club in Hollywood. It was spelled "Why?", quotation mark included.
Its not a Federation Station.
There are Federation citizens on board, but its still Bajor's problem.
Bajor didn't sign the treaty.
If they wanted to get the Maquis, murder half of them and put the rest in a goolag, the only thing that's going to stop them is the Cardassian Border.
Yeah, probably.
Freedom fighters, like pirates, have a romantic idealized view in pop culture.
The Federation didn’t abandon the Maquis.
The Maquis abandoned the Federation. They made a conscious choice to do so.
The Federation didn’t help them because it’s precisely situations such as that which have a tendency to spark wars.
The Maquis were not forced to live on Cardassian territory. They chose to. They brought it all down on themselves. They were offered an out and they didn’t take it.
Fuck them.
Why should they? It was their home.
live under a fascists?
what rights would they have under Cardassian rule?
The right to a unfair trial
The right to cruel and unusual punishment.
The right to forced labour.....
yeah i would pass on Cardassian rule.
Fhe federation was appeasing fascists.
They gave up the homes of its own citizens in the hope Cardassians would shut up and go away.
It would be like france agreeing to give up a area of its land to NAZI Germany in order to prevent war.
its nothing short of appeasement.
The marquis were originally living in territory controlled by the federation.
The federation made the decision to stab them in the back and hand over their homes and land to lizard space nazis in a attempt at appeasement.
The marquis never choose that. The decision to take away their homes and hand it over to fascist was made by a federation council light years away without thier consent.[/QUOTE]
When the Federation can 1) give you a new home for free, and 2) precisely re-create your old one down to the molecular level, "home" is irrelevant. "Sacred ground" is irrelevant.
No, it wasn't. The Federation had the colonists' FULL CONSENT to live in Cardassian territory.
Now, the argument for 'appeasement' COULD theoretically be made. But when the alternative is war...appeasement works.
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Living under fascism is not nor should ever be a choice.
At what cost?Now, the argument for 'appeasement' COULD theoretically be made. But when the alternative is war...appeasement works.
At what point should the allies have appeased Hitler?
How much should NATO appeased Putin?
The Federation ended up back at war with the Cardassians anyway and at that point the Cardassians had the backing of a stronger that.
If the federation had come down hard on Cardassia from the start and fully dealt with the spoon heads in the border wars and kicked the military out of power and backed the civilian deppa council then the dominion would likely not have been able to use the Cardassians.
O and screw the prime directive when dealing with fascists.
The Federation chose to cede territory. Nothing more than that.
No backs were stabbed.
However helping hands were offered, only to be spat on by the Maquis.
Seriously, fuck them.
What are you talking about?
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