The Cardassian Union was not positioned to wage war with Federation, thus could not resolve the DMZ issue the way they liked. It was the Dominion that eliminated the Maquis and incorporated the border territories (even Eddington says this).
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That's pretty much what I meant by better position.
If the dominion hadn't have come along some one else would of.
Cardassia could never be trusted unter its current government.
Given what happened to the Cardassians as a result under the Dominion that is hardly a "better position."
The goal should be peace coexistence and mutual cooperation, not force you to abide by my way or else.
The goal should be peace coexistence and mutual cooperation, not force you to abide by my way or else.
You can warn people a storm is coming and they should come inside.
If those people stay put and decide to face the weather, they can hardly complain when they get wet.
If those people stay put and decide to face the weather, they can hardly complain when they get wet.
I doubt the Federation would of needed to do much.
Just guard the border planets and set a blockade up of the unions core worlds until the cardassisns got the message to fuck off.
Weyoun literally prevented Dukat from annexing Bajor. And Damar's revolt was borne in the realization that Cardassia completely lacked autonomy over its own military and foreign policy.
It was the Dominion that eliminated the Maquis.
There's a Klingon proverb around that.
Which is pointless. All you did was make them go away. You didn't change their mind, you didn't show them a better way. You just intimidated them in to appeasing you in to thinking you're right. Your forcing your way of life on to them.
The Federation clearly felt it needed to do more because it wanted to keep the treaty. There is logic behind this idea and it isn't answered by Starfleet officers betraying their loyalty to fight a battle for a home not theirs, and threaten millions of lives in the process. That is not an answer that results in peace. That is an answer that is bullying.
Some ideologies are not compatible to peaceful cooperation.
Cardassia under the union was never interested in peace.
And no one is asking the Federation to force its ideals onto the cardassisn union. Only for the union to stop messing with the Federation.
No other major power in the Alpha Quadrant seemed to want to work with the Cardassians. The only reason the Dominion allied with them was because the Dominion needed a foothold into the Alpha Quadrant.
Hell, the Klingons damaged the Cardassians so badly they were left a 'third rate power', according to Dukat.
The treaty was the only real solution at the time. And honestly, had the wormhole not been discovered, it probably would have worked because the Cardassians had no backup power and the Klingons wouldn't have invaded due to fears of Changeling infiltration.
And the cardassisns only brought the Dominion in to get at its enimes.
Yes there were short sighted fools and got absorbed into the Dominion.
That's literally what you're doing by saying 'Here's a treaty" and then allowing fighting to go on with Starfleet officers joining the fray. You are forcing both sides of it and demanding Cardassians bow down to the Federation.
That's not how diplomacy works.
Actually, the only thing we know for certain is Dukat negotiated with the Dominion on 'Cardassia's behalf'. We don't know if he just used that as an excuse to get to power again, because he clearly went rogue by taking the Bird of Prey instead of giving it to his government.
It's very possible he signed the alliance with Dominion as the 'Cardassian Representative' without his government really knowing much about it, and with his ship and that big fleet of Dominion ships heading to Cardassia Prime, the government may not really have had any choice but to agree to the alliance and as Dukat being leader. Note how we see Dukat make a worldwide anouncement to his people that 'we shouldn't fear the Dominion' and 'embrace them'.
Making a imperist star nation keep out of your space is hardly unreasonable.
All your asking is for them to leave you alone and exchange you leave them alone. That's not enforcing your will, it's defending your territorial integrity
That's what they did.
It's called negotiations. They negotiated a treaty, with concessions on both sides, allowing for the exchange of territory. This is how diplomacy works. The Maquis were made fully aware of this as a step towards peace, and they refused to accept the reality of their choice, ensuring more conflict and further bloodshed between the two powers for selfish reasons.
The price of these negotiations was mutual respect of the treaty. The Maquis did not respect the treaty.
That's on them.
And I'm saying the Federation should not of made a treaty that ceded its citizens home and land without the agreement of those that lived there. The Federation had a responsibility to those people that lived there and it failed.
If peace was to be had then it needed to be secured in another way and not at the expense of the Federation citizens that lived there
Violene is not the answer though. And certainly not betraying an organization to fight a proxy war.
Then you return to the negotiating table. The treaty is the reality the Maquis accepted by their own choice then immediately turned vicious for not getting their way.
Selfish, irresponsible and disrespectful is what the Maquis, and their Starfleet sympathizers, were.
Interesting discussion. But there is only one answer, Una Mccormack should write a book about the Cardassians and the Maquis.
Will that be the first time in history that such a thing actually happens? Hasn't every government throughout history either absorbed and/or ceded and/or purchased territory without 100% approval of every resident in said territory?
Yep they are called empires
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