Spoilers Lucifer - Season 2

[Kemaiku]

Also: God and Mrs. God created the universe by having sex? That's gonna put the religious protestors in a frenzy.

Supernatural season 11 spoilers

Spoiler

In that show, "The Darkness" turns out to be God's sister "Amara" who emerged from the nothingness with him. The Darkness and The Light, and they lived together happily for a limitless eternity. God then got kinda bored with her and started creation, which Amara destroyed. They went through this for many universes until God made the Angels to be the mindless army bag of dicks we all know.

Lucy sealed her in a "cage" but the lock and key became what would be the Mark of Cain, turning him evil. So our universe and planet only exist because this time, God had the foresight to use Angels to lock his sister in the old quantum basement for all time.

When she returns in season 11 super pissed, God also returns and we find out he's a complete hispter douchebag and can't ever take responsibility for his own actions and abuses his power, treats Lucifer like a teenager, Amara is basically breaking his toys so he'll give up and go back to her. And it takes more than it should to make him sort his life out, apologise to her and leave together.

It's one of the biggest character assassinations of God there is, and no one seemed to care in crazy fundie town.

 

[sojourner]

What's up with Amenadiel and his inability to sustain a time freeze? It seemed that his first plan was to swipe or change Lucifer's blood sample, but time didn't stay frozen so he decided to prove that Lucifer is just using normal ways to appear supernatural. Is he changing from being on Earth this long?

Corruption for consorting with a demon?

 

[JD]

Well, The CW isn't quite as high profile as Fox, and since all of the God stuff didn't come in until later they probably weren't paying as much attention to Supernatural. Lucifer on the other hand has been fairly high profile and the God stuff has been there pretty much from the beginning.

What's up with Amenadiel and his inability to sustain a time freeze? It seemed that his first plan was to swipe or change Lucifer's blood sample, but time didn't stay frozen so he decided to prove that Lucifer is just using normal ways to appear supernatural. Is he changing from being on Earth this long?

That would be my assumption. It seems that being on Earth is affecting both brothers and Maze now.

Again, though, that would only show that there was something anomalous about it, not that it was specifically angelic or divine. They'd probably consider "contaminated sample," "hoax," "mutant," or even "alien" before it would occur to them to think "fallen angel."

Other people sure, but people who know him and the claims he's been making would probably realize that it meant he was telling the truth.
That was some bad timing on Chloe's part during Lucifer's fight with the "Bobby B.".
I did notice the BSG connection with All Along the Watchtower, but I just assumed it was a coincidence since it seemed to be appropriate for the situation.
The backstory for the angels and the universe was interesting, I was wondering what exactly Mum's role in all of that was. From the preview for next week it also sounds like she was the one responsible for the biblical plagues and stuff, so that makes me wonder if it's going turn she's responsible for all of the nasty stuff God does in the bible.

 

[Christopher]

What's up with Amenadiel and his inability to sustain a time freeze? It seemed that his first plan was to swipe or change Lucifer's blood sample, but time didn't stay frozen so he decided to prove that Lucifer is just using normal ways to appear supernatural. Is he changing from being on Earth this long?

We don't know yet. That's the mystery that's been set up, and it'll probably be a while before we and Amenadiel discover the answer. I mean, we still don't know why Chloe can resist Lucifer's mojo or why she makes him vulnerable to injury.

Well, The CW isn't quite as high profile as Fox, and since all of the God stuff didn't come in until later they probably weren't paying as much attention to Supernatural. Lucifer on the other hand has been fairly high profile and the God stuff has been there pretty much from the beginning.

Yeah. These folks are mainly protesting to get publicity, so they go after what's new, what's big, what's likely to be noticed. A show on The CW is a less prominent target than one on FOX, and a show in its 11th season is a less inviting target than a brand-new show, if only because the fact that it hasn't already caused the downfall of Western civilization by now kinda robs them of their main argument.

Remember how much furor Mighty Morphin Power Rangers generated in its first season or two about how "violent" it was and how badly it was bound to damage our kids? (Never mind that it was an adaptation of an already long-running Japanese franchise and Japan has a startlingly low violent crime rate.) Well, Power Rangers has remained in production for two decades virtually nonstop, but the protests fizzled out within a couple of years as their dire predictions failed to materialize.

 

[Skipper]

Maybe the blood would come back as having no DNA lineage. Which when you think about it would be impossible.

They probably would answer something like "the sample is contaminated" or "the reagent is flawed" or similar. Once I had to repeat a blood test to a lab error.

 

[JD]

I'm pretty sure they'd be able to tell the difference between non-human blood and a contaminated sample.

 

[sojourner]

That would really highly depend on the results of the tests.

 

[Christopher]

I'm pretty sure they'd be able to tell the difference between non-human blood and a contaminated sample.

Only if they were willing to admit the possibility that Lucifer was nonhuman. Most people would prefer to believe there's just some unknown error in the results. How many fantasy and SF shows depend on the public's refusal to believe in clear evidence of the supernatural/aliens/etc.? In the first few seasons of modern Doctor Who, they had very public alien invasions once or twice a season, but half the people still just dismissed them as hoaxes or mass hysteria. And then there's the population of Buffy's Sunnydale and their willful blindness to the horrific supernatural evils that plagued their town.

And, of course, a constant thread of this show is Lucifer telling everyone who and what he really is and nobody believing him. No matter what he says or does, people find ways to rationalize or dismiss it. No reason their reaction to anomalous blood results would be any different.

 

[Vandervecken]

Re no Amenadiel time freeze: guess he is 1) becoming mortal, or 2) falling (as in fallen angel). I think 2 would be way more serious. Probably because of sex with Maze and his feelings for her, which are not just sexual it seems.

Do NOT have sex with demons! Especially if you are an ANGEL. Not sure if all sex would be verboten for an angel, after all in this series God has sex so it would be damned hypocritical (heh, damned, get it...er...) for Him to forbid it to angels, but hey so what else is new? But sex with a demon, if you're an angel, might be a no-no. Or, maybe, it's not a punishment but it's just what happens to you if you're an angel when you mix up angel and demon essence.

Or maybe it's because Amendiel is technically Lord of Hell right now and this is part of the job description (being Fallen), or a punishment because he was on watch when Mom escaped.

OR--it IS a punishment, but nothing to do with Maze or Hell but because he has been doing some pretty deceptive and somewhat evil (or at least underhanded) stuff at times.

 

[Phoenix219]

Only if they were willing to admit the possibility that Lucifer was nonhuman. Most people would prefer to believe there's just some unknown error in the results. How many fantasy and SF shows depend on the public's refusal to believe in clear evidence of the supernatural/aliens/etc.? In the first few seasons of modern Doctor Who, they had very public alien invasions once or twice a season, but half the people still just dismissed them as hoaxes or mass hysteria. And then there's the population of Buffy's Sunnydale and their willful blindness to the horrific supernatural evils that plagued their town.

And, of course, a constant thread of this show is Lucifer telling everyone who and what he really is and nobody believing him. No matter what he says or does, people find ways to rationalize or dismiss it. No reason their reaction to anomalous blood results would be any different.

Or how anyone could live in Haven and not know about the Troubles.

 

[Richard Baker]

I really liked how during the entire show Lucifer was searching for his Mum, 'seeing' her in others and trying to confront her (in them) about it- extra points for having fun with the bank robber. At the very end of the show someone enters the bar who he would have very little reason to think was her and immediately he knew with no doubt it was her inside...

 

[Commander Richard]

No Lucifer tonight. The Presidential debates are on.

 

[kitik]

Girls Night Out was fun. I want to know more about the stealing cars revelation.

Maze living with Chloe will be different. (Surely the car crash at the end was just to scare Lucifer, right? Nothing bad will really happen to Chloe.)

 

[JD]

It looked like she was OK in the preview for next week.
Yeah, Girl's Night Out was a lot of fun.
So is Amenadiel losing his powers because Mom hasn't been returned to Hell?
I didn't quite understand why Chloe was looking for a new place to live, I thought she lived in either her own house or one her mom owned.

 

[sojourner]

I thought she lived in either her own house or one her mom owned.

There was some quick comment about getting out of her mom's place during the episode, "it's time". Seemed sort of rushed plot-wise. Maybe there is a behind the scenes reason?

 

[Christopher]

That whole "T-bone" car crash stunt has become way overused in TV and movies. It's gotten to the point that every time you see a shot of a driver from an angle that shows the view out the side window, you know that in a few moments you're going to see a car or truck racing out of a side street straight toward the camera and slamming into the side door.

The girls' night out was rather fun. I'm really coming to like Ella. She's adorable.

So is Amenadiel losing his powers because Mom hasn't been returned to Hell?

I figure it's a consequence of the moral compromises he made last season -- pulling a damned soul out of Hell to be his hitman, sleeping with a demon, lying to Linda, etc. He hasn't exactly been angelic of late.

Then again, Lucifer still had his wings until he cut them off, and he was the lord of Hell for a couple of millennia. Hmm, maybe it's a karma/dharma sort of thing -- whether you're behaving in the way that's appropriate for your proper path and role in life, even if it's inappropriate for someone on a different path.

I didn't quite understand why Chloe was looking for a new place to live, I thought she lived in either her own house or one her mom owned.

She addressed that. She said she felt it was time to stop living in her mother's home and get her own place. Although I do wonder about the real-world reason for that change. Chloe's home was a set in season 1, so there's no reason they couldn't have kept it around. Maybe they just decided for story reasons that moving Chloe and Maze in together would be good.

 

[Velocity]

Ella adds something interesting to the show. Chloe is almost unrelievedly intense, so having Ella being cheerful and a little quirky is a nice addition.

 

[sojourner]

She addressed that. She said she felt it was time to stop living in her mother's home and get her own place. Although I do wonder about the real-world reason for that change. Chloe's home was a set in season 1, so there's no reason they couldn't have kept it around. Maybe they just decided for story reasons that moving Chloe and Maze in together would be good.

It's really annoying when you reply to someone with virtually the same information that another poster just gave them.

 

[Richard Baker]

It's really annoying when you reply to someone with virtually the same information that another poster just gave them.

The posts were six minutes apart- his took a while to type and yours appeared while he was doing so.

 

[sojourner]

The posts were six minutes apart- his took a while to type and yours appeared while he was doing so.

That would be pertinent, if he didn't have a history of doing it.