Lt.Kyle

[Nerys Myk]

Dumb question: How is this in the Lt. Kyle thread all of a sudden? I could've sworn I was responding in the General Discussion thread.

Either I posted in the wrong thread or someone moved something.

You'd didn't compensate for the Earth's rotation. Kyle would never make that mistake.

 

[Dar70]

Indeed. It's embarrassing that the characters threads that have generated the most discussion have centered on Kyle and Chapel being updated. There are so many interesting things to talk about regarding this show, yet this is what gets attention? I expected there to be booming threads comparing screenshots of the ships and sets and costumes of the new and old shows by now--you know, all that minutiae Trek fans do so well--but this is what's getting comments?



Who cares? Better yet, why care? Everything we have seen on screen has been changed from the original show to this one, whether by millimeters or by a total overhaul. It's one of the oldest human traditions: retelling stories in new ways. I struggle to see what discussion-worthy breach of continuity is really happening here.

Look continuity issues happen with EVERY long running show. Pretty sure everyone knows this. But to blatantly just change things just because doesnt sit well with me.

Case in point. The Klingons were completely overhauled for Discovery. Why??? They were overhauled for the films. Which was a bit more understandable since the show moved to film and a bigger budget. We get a neat explanation why the Klingons looked different. Great. Let's leave it at that. But NO...they had to throw another wrench in the gears and change it up again.

Many of you may be fine with a constantly evolving look and complete changes in continuity and characters. But for many of us it takes us right out of the story. Again if they had proclaimed these new shows as a complete reboot it would not matter in the least to me. But it's not a reboot it's a continuation. I also do not consider Kelvin trek a reboot. It's a pocket universe born from the "prime" universe and i expected it to follow some basic continuity rules as well. Which it did not in some cases...

 

[Locutus of Bored]

Dumb question: How is this in the Lt. Kyle thread all of a sudden? I could've sworn I was responding in the General Discussion thread.

Either I posted in the wrong thread or someone moved something.

Nope, just me being absentminded. I had a bunch of quotes saved in the "Insert Quotes" function and a bunch of open tabs to different threads and I got my wires crossed.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Case in point. The Klingons were completely overhauled for Discovery. Why??? They were overhauled for the films. Which was a bit more understandable since the show moved to film and a bigger budget. We get a neat explanation why the Klingons looked different. Great. Let's leave it at that. But NO...they had to throw another wrench in the gears and change it up again.

Neat? Nah, it was fanwank at it's wankest. The DS9 explanation was neat. ENT, not so much.
As I've said, DISCO Klingons are just one more step in the effort to make the Klingon seem more alien. Which started in TMP.

Many of you may be fine with a constantly evolving look and complete changes in continuity and characters. But for many of us it takes us right out of the story.

Speaking of "story", Still waiting for how any of these changes make the stories being told different.

Again of they had proclaimed these new shows as a complete reboot it would not matter in the least to me. But it's not a reboot it's a continuation.

They're both. An in continuity expansion of the fictional universe we know with "upgraded" sets, costumes and VFX.

I also do not consider Kelvin trek a reboot. It's a pocket universe born from the "prime" universe and i expected it to follow some basic continuity rules as well. Which it did not in some cases...

It's a reboot. A new starting point for the movie arm of the franchise. Like the Pirate Code continuity is a more of a guideline not a rule.

 

[Dar70]

Neat? Nah, it was fanwank at it's wankest. The DS9 explanation was neat. ENT, not so much.
As I've said, DISCO Klingons are just one more step in the effort to make the Klingon seem more alien. Which started in TMP.


Speaking of "story", Still waiting for how any of these changes make the stories being told different.

They're both. An in continuity expansion of the fictional universe we know with "upgraded" sets, costumes and VFX.

It's a reboot. A new starting point for the movie arm of the franchise. Like the Pirate Code continuity is a more of a guideline not a rule.

I will have to agree to disagree.

 

[Noname Given]

Case in point. The Klingons were completely overhauled for Discovery. Star Trek: The Motion Picture in 1979 (and tweaked for each subsequent film through Star Trek IV The Undiscovered Country, and each season of Star Trek the Next Generation 1987-1994)! Why???...

FTFY

 

[fireproof78]

Case in point. The Klingons were completely overhauled for Discovery. Why??? They were overhauled for the films. Which was a bit more understandable since the show moved to film and a bigger budget.

Discovery was updated for bigger budget. Just like in the past.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Is the character of Lt. Kyle played by Asian actor Andre Dae Kim in this series supposed to be the same character from the original series?

Doesn't have to be. "Kyle" is a common enough name.

At least he's still human, as opposed to the kerfuffle about Colt.

 

[Dar70]

Discovery was updated for bigger budget. Just like in the past.

The makeup was no more intricate than what we have had with other current shows and movies...it was an unnecessary change...

 

[fireproof78]

The makeup was no more intricate than what we have had with other current shows and movies...it was an unnecessary change...

So was TMP, TSFS, TNG and TUC. DS9 was especially egregious with TOS characters.

 

[Mudd]

Look continuity issues happen with EVERY long running show. Pretty sure everyone knows this. But to blatantly just change things just because doesnt sit well with me.

That's a shame.

Because this is only the beginning of it.

 

[Dar70]

So was TMP, TSFS, TNG and TUC. DS9 was especially egregious with TOS characters.

Again TMP laid a general foundation for the new makeup. Discovery is the show that veered way off that foundation...they looked like many other bald headed generic one shot aliens we had seen before..

 

[Nerys Myk]

Again TMP laid a general foundation for the new makeup. Discovery is the show that veered way off that foundation...

Nah. It just took it up a notch, just as every new iteration has done.

 

[fireproof78]

Again TMP laid a general foundation for the new makeup. Discovery is the show that veered way off that foundation...they looked like many other bald headed generic one shot aliens we had seen before..

Agree to disagree. The principle is identical, to make Klingons more alien. This is perfectly in line with what Trek has done in the past.

 

[TRON JA307020]

Agree to disagree. The principle is identical, to make Klingons more alien. This is perfectly in line with what Trek has done in the past.

Well worf is coming back in Picard season 3. From the sounds of it he'll be looking like tng worf and not a std Klingon.

 

[fireproof78]

Well worf is coming back in Picard season 3. From the sounds of it he'll be looking like tng worf and not a std Klingon.

And?
I expect variety in the Klingons, not one phenotype. ENT provides all the explanation needed, including Discovery's Klingons.

 

[TRON JA307020]

And?
I expect variety in the Klingons, not one phenotype. ENT provides all the explanation needed, including Discovery's Klingons.

Didn't sound that way when you were answering Dar70. Regardless the klingon portrayal in STD was terrible. They looked like completely different aliens. They barely acted like klingons.

 

[fireproof78]

Didn't sound that way when you were answering Dar70. Regardless the klingon portrayal in STD was terrible. They looked like completely different aliens. They barely acted like klingons.

More my point is that changes in Klingons are in line with what Trek has done before. Even Worf's make received updates and redesign throughout the years. Acting like any change means "continuity violation" or some such thing is ridiculous in light of Trek's history.

And how should Klingons act? Are they a monolithic culture with no variation at all? If so, then I'll take the Discovery Klingons over the uniform Klingons of the past because that's not realistic.

 

[Noname Given]

Again TMP laid a general foundation for the new makeup. Discovery is the show that veered way off that foundation...they looked like many other bald headed generic one shot aliens we had seen before..

Oh please the change wasn't that drastic. To somehow try and claim TNG was a 'foundation', when in fact they changed the look for every single film that followed; and even in TNG updated the look each season...yeah, give me a break.

 

[TRON JA307020]

More my point is that changes in Klingons are in line with what Trek has done before. Even Worf's make received updates and redesign throughout the years. Acting like any change means "continuity violation" or some such thing is ridiculous in light of Trek's history.

And how should Klingons act? Are they a monolithic culture with no variation at all? If so, then I'll take the Discovery Klingons over the uniform Klingons of the past because that's not realistic.

How were the tng klingons not realistic?