The thought that Helen Noel got married makes me feel...well, jealous.
No, I can't believe those lies.
Lt. Helen Johansson - What was the deal?
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No, I can't believe those lies.
The thought that Helen Noel got married makes me feel...well, jealous.
Helen, don't go! I need you Helen!
Why oh why wasn't she made a regular?? 
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Why oh why wasn't she made a regular??
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She needed the job, too. While filming Paradise, Hawaiian Style with Elvis Presley, she made unflattering comments about The King, or at least a journalist said she did, and I think that's how she ended up taking TV jobs again. Elvis' reps probably saw to it that her film career was stalled.
Really? I wonder what she said and if maybe the King had hit on her and she resisted his charms? 
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If I remember right, in the Napoleonic Wars, a lieutenant placed in command of a small ship was then called a Commander. It could be a temporary post and he could revert to Lieutenant afterwards - but if he did a good job and the war continued to cause lots of vacancies for captains it could be a stepping stone to post captain as well.
My guess is that the sleeve stripe in The Cage was for all commissioned officers. The ones who didn't have a stripe were warrant officers, midshipman/cadets, or petty officers. There might well have been fewer commissioned officers than we have in 20th-21st century navies, but Pike should still have been at least a Commander. If there were only a half dozen or so commissioned officers aboard - all you'd need on a 200-person shio - they should have no trouble keeping track of who the captain is even without different sleeve stripes.
Really? I wonder what she said and if maybe the King had hit on her and she resisted his charms?
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I think I have a period news clipping saved on my computer, but I'm at work right now. I'll look for it later.
I know that, but I'm talking about the proper way to address a female Starfleet officer.
Great. I wasn't specifically addressing you, but I'd be more than a little surprised if "Miss" was ever used to address any married female in TOS, whether in Starfleet or not, for the reasons that I stated. It would have been pretty eyebrow-raising to violate the social norms by doing so on TV in the 1960s. It was even a plot point in "Who Morns for Adonais?" that McCoy expected Lt. Palamas to actually leave the service, if she ever found "the right man." I know they're not Starfleet, but Amanda was addressed as "Mrs. Sarek," and Nancy was addressed as "Mrs. Crater."
I wracked my hard drive and couldn't find the article I remember reading. I must never have saved it. Then I searched online, and at length finally found it, text only. The link at the top of the page I'm citing is dead, but scroll down to the 4th post, and somebody posted the complete text of the article:
https://www.elvis-collectors.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=42134
That's what I think must have aggravated Elvis or his handlers, and sent Marianna back to TV jobs.
Wow. Frightening to think that Elvis or his people had that much pull.
Oh, easily. "If you want to keep your studio's options open to ever work with [insert super-star name], then you'd better not give [lesser figure] a good job."
You don't piss off the stars in general. The news networks are afraid to go negative on a star for fear of losing access / interviews with who knows what other stars his agent represents.
Oh, sure. And I'm sure that the same sort of thing still happens today. That's how monsters like Harvey Weinstein and Bill Cosby escaped justice for so long. It's just something else when you actually hear about it happening.
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Just look at her IMDb (link). She was doing TV before and after the two Elvis films she appeared in and also around other films. Throughout the 60s her career was primarily in TV, not movies. It was in the 70s she did most of her film work.
And it's not like Elvis movies were prestige films. They were directed by men who mostly did TV. They weren't so high profile as to be a career killer.
Well, the separation between film acting and TV acting was more strict in those days, like you were one or the other. It looks to me like she was breaking into film in '65-66, and then that door slammed shut for some reason. And then if you read the interview I linked to, it's incredibly unflattering the Elvis. I suspect that, by one means or another, the Elvis camp induced the studios to stop her from getting feature films for a while.
Her resumé looks fairly standard to me, and the barrier for small parts was not the same as leading roles. But who can say?
Your link doesn't point directly at the interview. It points and a board discussing the interview, which I is this one (link) under the heading:
From the Los Angeles Herald - Examiner (October 10, 1965)
WHO NEEDS FAME? by Dorothy Manners
Your link doesn't point directly at the interview. It points and a board discussing the interview, which I is this one (link) under the heading:
From the Los Angeles Herald - Examiner (October 10, 1965)
WHO NEEDS FAME? by Dorothy Manners
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My link was adequate. As I said in Post #50, you have to scroll down on that page to where a bboard member posted the full text of "The Girl Who Turned Elvis Off" by Tony Taylor. But your link is better, and it's what I could not find earlier.
Anyway, assuming the writer reported honestly, which is no sure thing, especially in those days, "The Girl Who Turned Elvis Off" contains ill-considered quotes that would have to humiliate Elvis and infuriate his entourage. He kisses like a frightened child? He doesn't understand how acting works? On and on. This article is really a hit-piece on her, not just a hit-piece-by-proxy on him.
Whether or not it impacted her job opportunities, I notice that all of her commentary in later publications that I've seen is complimentary and flattering toward the leading men. I'll bet she felt burned by the "Turned Off" article and made it a point to talk people up. She was smart and beautiful, and just maybe had one dumb day.
Yes. Elvis flicks were not the way to roles in Oscar-bait films. And dissing your star in public is extremely unprofessional, even if what you say is true. If she really was excluded from parts in great films because of what she said about Elvis, she did it to herself.
That, and Elvis, "The Colonel" and his Memphis Mafia did not have that kind of pull in the film business; it was doing fine with or without him. Even if he--or his handlers--were upset about the alleged comments, there was nothing they could do about it with every talent agency and studio. Elvis needed them more than the other way around.
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