Lower Decks Trailer Analysis

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Lower Decks' started by NCC-73515, Jul 12, 2020.

  1. Sakonna

    Sakonna Commodore Commodore

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    One of my favorite things about Star Trek has been the variety it supports. Episodes have been done in every genre imaginable. Comedy, drama, tragedy, thriller, murder mystery, romance, fantasy, film noir, war movie, lounge musical, vacation hijinks, James Bond, black-and-white sci-fi serial, baseball movie, etc.

    The thing I've probably missed the most in the streaming era is that these serialized shows don't play around with genre & subject in the way the more episodic earlier series did. Though, a modern serialized show with a short episode order can't really be expected to do that. They lack the space for it. Now, we need an entire additional series to have Trek in a different form.

    I've also recently been revisiting TOS, TAS, and the original cast movies, and it really has highlighted for me how COMPLETELY different all three of these entities were, despite sharing the same cast.

    So, from my perspective, I wouldn't say they're taking canon away from something it's not. I would say they're restoring a treasured quality of canon that has been otherwise absent in the streaming era.
     
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  2. fireproof78

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    Indeed. One aspect of TOS in particular was that it was a variety platform, allowing for multiple different story types and explorations.

    While I appreciate the seriousness of the newer shows there is room in Trek to craft this variety.

    It won't be for everyone but there will be the possibility of a Trek for everyone.

    Trek need not be trapped in a box.
     
  3. Aragorn

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    I wonder if anyone losing their mind over the "unprofessionalism" in Lower Decks is also a big fan of Another Life.
     
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    ISS-Magnum Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    I really hate to explain the obvious things, but if you all insist: the black girl is shown as a brain dead idiot who cannot properly handle dangerous weapons. An idiot who is not even able to admit her mistake. Nothing funny about this.
     
  5. Nyotarules

    Nyotarules Rear Admiral Moderator

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    You wrote the script for the whole season?
     
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  6. Lord Garth

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    If she were white, what would you think?

    And I'm pretty sure LD will give everyone a chance to screw up. They won't discriminate.
     
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    They white guy ensign is shown to be a bumbling awkard self-obsessed guy who hangs around nude and has stuff he doesn't want anyone to see on his PADD and apparently helped cause at least one disaster.
    The Green girl is shown to.. well not much.
    The black male ensign is shown to be competent and devoted to his job.

    Your point?
     
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  8. eschaton

    eschaton Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    No one is actually a fan of that show. They just hate watch it.

    The characters in Lower Decks don't seem notably more flawed than The Orville though.
     
  9. fireproof78

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    Neither racist nor sexist since I have seen that joke multiple times across franchises and shows.

    It may not be funny to you. That's fair but it isn't racist or sexist.
     
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    shapeshifter Commodore Commodore

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    Make it so!
    Fortunately that hasn't happened to me yet. Every incarnation has something I can enjoy.
    Such a sad generation of fans today. My favorite McCoy quote; It's a song you green blooded... Vulcan. The words aren't important. What's important is, you have a good time singing! I hope I never forget how to sing along with Star Trek.

     
  11. BillJ

    BillJ Canon Warrior Premium Member

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    And a black woman is the captain of the ship. People of all backgrounds screw up sometimes.
     
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  12. Sakonna

    Sakonna Commodore Commodore

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    Given that her character is treated exactly the same as the rest of the (lower decks) characters in this trailer, and you don't seem to have complaints about any of them, it does seem like you're saying that it is inherently racist and sexist to ever portray a black women with any flaws. Is that what you're saying?
     
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  13. Tuskin38

    Tuskin38 Admiral Admiral

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    If it was obvious someone else would have seen it. You're seeing something that doesn't exist.
     
  14. Vger23

    Vger23 Vice Admiral Admiral

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    Respectfully, this is taking things to a level where they don't belong. This is literally just looking for things to be enraged about.
     
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    Jesus.
    A trailer barely two minutes long causing this much angst.
    Watch it ..or don’t.
    I will be watching it.
     
  16. fireproof78

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    Pretty much. I get that humor is totally subjective and there are some things that I don't always joke about (suicide is pretty much top of my list) but calling it racist and sexist? O_o

    Yeah, I would that's reaching but that implies there was something to reach in the first place.
    New to fandom?
     
  17. Lord Garth

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    Yeah, it's getting to be a little crazy. I'm going to peak into the good, old DSC Forum where it's calmer and less crazy.

    I didn't think I'd be typing a sentence like that until years from now!
     
  18. Vger23

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    It's like I said, you can practically set your watch to some of the highly predictable reactions and behaviors. And that's coming from a guy whose personal excitement level for LD is at about 35/100
     
  19. fireproof78

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    Seems high...
     
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  20. Sakonna

    Sakonna Commodore Commodore

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    I always kind of love stumbling into the Trek Streaming Wars, in that I feel I split the difference between the factions. I often agree with the criticisms lobbed at the new shows by the anti- contingent, but I absolutely love said shows, flaws and all.

    (Maybe Flawed Trek is exactly what I want. If they ever make the perfect Trek show loved by all on TrekBBS, I'll be the one screaming at the rest of you about how it's not Trek unless it has worse dialogue and more plot holes :bolian:)

    I love this write-up. The initial episodes of "Picard" struck me as soooooo different than Disco that I was stunned when all the same Disco flaws manifested at the end of "Picard's" season. Though I am decisively pro-streaming-Trek, my one true disapointment is their consistent inability to land a season arc. And once this problem manifested across three seasons of two shows, that meant it likely came from Kurtzman, so odds are good it'll be a problem with every season of Streaming Trek for the foreseeable future. I will probably have to get used to it, just like I had to get used to the sexism (and other flaws) of Berman Trek.

    So, that's a reason to be properly THRILLED for Lower Decks -- it looks like it's NOT trying to do the thing the top producer is worst at! (Though I guess I can't exclude the possibility. If our four lower decks heroes are single-handedly saving all sentient life in the galaxy in episode #10, I may just flip out. :bolian:)

    I dunno, I think there could be a good-faith dislike of all three shows. It's easy for me to imagine someone who doesn't like adult animation and also darker/edgier serialized dramas. They're both more modern forms with some bite in their sensibility, and plenty of people's tastes just run in a different direction.

    And as a longtime fan of adult animation myself, I know the people who HATE it are abundant (and that's fine, it's not for everyone).
     
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