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Lower Decks Trailer Analysis

One of my favorite things about Star Trek has been the variety it supports. Episodes have been done in every genre imaginable. Comedy, drama, tragedy, thriller, murder mystery, romance, fantasy, film noir, lounge musical, James Bond, black-and-white sci-fi serial, baseball movie, war movie, etc.
Indeed. One aspect of TOS in particular was that it was a variety platform, allowing for multiple different story types and explorations.

While I appreciate the seriousness of the newer shows there is room in Trek to craft this variety.

It won't be for everyone but there will be the possibility of a Trek for everyone.

Trek need not be trapped in a box.
 
Do explain? Are minority female characters not allowed to make mistakes?

How is it those things? O_o

And apparently someone cares enough to post about it.

Because black, female, Starfleet officers in the future are paragons of virtue, and will never make cockups like other humans????? You know what else is racist and sexist, not treating nonwhite females as human beings who screw up sometimes just like everyone else does.
(We don't need a throne to sit on or a knee on our neck, just equality, not too much to ask is it?)

How was it any of those things?

I really hate to explain the obvious things, but if you all insist: the black girl is shown as a brain dead idiot who cannot properly handle dangerous weapons. An idiot who is not even able to admit her mistake. Nothing funny about this.
 
I really hate to explain the obvious things, but if you all insist: the black girl is shown as a brain dead idiot who cannot properly handle dangerous weapons. An idiot who is not even able to admit her mistake. Nothing funny about this.
If she were white, what would you think?

And I'm pretty sure LD will give everyone a chance to screw up. They won't discriminate.
 
I really hate to explain the obvious things, but if you all insist: the black girl is shown as a brain dead idiot who cannot properly handle dangerous weapons. An idiot who is not even able to admit her mistake. Nothing funny about this.
They white guy ensign is shown to be a bumbling awkard self-obsessed guy who hangs around nude and has stuff he doesn't want anyone to see on his PADD and apparently helped cause at least one disaster.
The Green girl is shown to.. well not much.
The black male ensign is shown to be competent and devoted to his job.

Your point?
 
I really hate to explain the obvious things, but if you all insist: the black girl is shown as a brain dead idiot who cannot properly handle dangerous weapons. An idiot who is not even able to admit her mistake. Nothing funny about this.
Neither racist nor sexist since I have seen that joke multiple times across franchises and shows.

It may not be funny to you. That's fair but it isn't racist or sexist.
 
I actually think, Sir Patrick Stewart will totally embrace voicing Captain Picard in this show.
Make it so!
Oh well, I guess there had to come a time when some version of Trek wasn't going to appeal to me.
Fortunately that hasn't happened to me yet. Every incarnation has something I can enjoy.
a brain dead idiot who cannot properly handle dangerous weapons. An idiot who is not even able to admit her mistake. Nothing funny about this.

Such a sad generation of fans today. My favorite McCoy quote; It's a song you green blooded... Vulcan. The words aren't important. What's important is, you have a good time singing! I hope I never forget how to sing along with Star Trek.

 
I really hate to explain the obvious things, but if you all insist: the black girl is shown as a brain dead idiot who cannot properly handle dangerous weapons. An idiot who is not even able to admit her mistake. Nothing funny about this.

Given that her character is treated exactly the same as the rest of the (lower decks) characters in this trailer, and you don't seem to have complaints about any of them, it does seem like you're saying that it is inherently racist and sexist to ever portray a black women with any flaws. Is that what you're saying?
 
I really hate to explain the obvious things, but if you all insist: the black girl is shown as a brain dead idiot who cannot properly handle dangerous weapons. An idiot who is not even able to admit her mistake. Nothing funny about this.

Respectfully, this is taking things to a level where they don't belong. This is literally just looking for things to be enraged about.
 
Respectfully, this is taking things to a level where they don't belong. This is literally just looking for things to be enraged about.
Pretty much. I get that humor is totally subjective and there are some things that I don't always joke about (suicide is pretty much top of my list) but calling it racist and sexist? O_o

Yeah, I would that's reaching but that implies there was something to reach in the first place.
Jesus.
A trailer barely two minutes long causing this much angst.
New to fandom?
 
Yeah, it's getting to be a little crazy. I'm going to peak into the good, old DSC Forum where it's calmer and less crazy.

I didn't think I'd be typing a sentence like that until years from now!

It's like I said, you can practically set your watch to some of the highly predictable reactions and behaviors. And that's coming from a guy whose personal excitement level for LD is at about 35/100
 
I always kind of love stumbling into the Trek Streaming Wars, in that I feel I split the difference between the factions. I often agree with the criticisms lobbed at the new shows by the anti- contingent, but I absolutely love said shows, flaws and all.

(Maybe Flawed Trek is exactly what I want. If they ever make the perfect Trek show loved by all on TrekBBS, I'll be the one screaming at the rest of you about how it's not Trek unless it has worse dialogue and more plot holes :bolian:)

Seriously though, the biggest criticisms I'm aware of regarding Kurtzman Trek are:
  • Serialized season-long plot arcs which don't go anywhere interesting.
  • Focus on galaxy-wide epic stakes to the detriment of character development.
  • Use of flashy camera tricks (like the camera constantly moving, turning upside-down, etc) which don't actually add anything of value to scenes.
  • Very heavy tone which focuses on emotionally broken characters.
In contrast, Lower Decks is:
  • Episodic
  • Focused on four low-level characters and their everyday lives
  • Apparently uses a very straight-ahead scene composition typical of modern animation
  • Has a light tone with flawed, but apparently not broken, characters
They are about as in opposition as possible - save both of them are aping something which is broadly popular in different sections of TV at the moment.

I love this write-up. The initial episodes of "Picard" struck me as soooooo different than Disco that I was stunned when all the same Disco flaws manifested at the end of "Picard's" season. Though I am decisively pro-streaming-Trek, my one true disapointment is their consistent inability to land a season arc. And once this problem manifested across three seasons of two shows, that meant it likely came from Kurtzman, so odds are good it'll be a problem with every season of Streaming Trek for the foreseeable future. I will probably have to get used to it, just like I had to get used to the sexism (and other flaws) of Berman Trek.

So, that's a reason to be properly THRILLED for Lower Decks -- it looks like it's NOT trying to do the thing the top producer is worst at! (Though I guess I can't exclude the possibility. If our four lower decks heroes are single-handedly saving all sentient life in the galaxy in episode #10, I may just flip out. :bolian:)

I don't think so. You're an exception, but look at everyone else. It's too neatly sorted. Almost everyone who likes DSC/PIC also likes Lower Decks? Almost everyone who isn't interested in Lower Decks doesn't like DSC/PIC? You don't think that's a little weird?

If Lower Decks looked like it would be exactly the same as those other two series, I could see it. That's not the case. This many people don't have their opinions line up so exactly. I've never seen that here before, ever.

Even among various series forums, look at the backgrounds of the posters. No one likes the same exact combination of series and movies from before (or after).

I dunno, I think there could be a good-faith dislike of all three shows. It's easy for me to imagine someone who doesn't like adult animation and also darker/edgier serialized dramas. They're both more modern forms with some bite in their sensibility, and plenty of people's tastes just run in a different direction.

And as a longtime fan of adult animation myself, I know the people who HATE it are abundant (and that's fine, it's not for everyone).
 
Maybe Flawed Trek is exactly what I want. If they ever make the perfect Trek show loved by all on TrekBBS, I'll be the one screaming at the rest of you about how it's not Trek unless it has worse dialogue and more plot holes
I do like flawed Trek, as well as flawed protagonists. So, while streaming Trek is arguably flawed I do not think it is fatally flawed. If so, then, well, a lot of other Treks are too. But, I'm willing to be that most Trek fans love their Treks, flaws and all. Streaming Trek is no different to me.

However, and this is shifting towards my perspective, one interesting part of streaming Trek is that the more people hate it the more that I like it. I may not even care for the characters but seeing the push back makes it more appealing to me.

So, perhaps, like you, I'll be screaming for more flawed Trek :D
 
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