Spoilers Lanterns discussion thread

[A Koalaty of Mercy]

Some have this gross misunderstanding of racism and its never-ending presence and application in all areas of life, which usually begins with the erroneous notion of open racism last existing in the 1950s - 70s.

If one does not know...he does not know.

In the U.S., racism is a constant in nearly every part of life, from employment (private and government), education, social interactions (obviously including most social media platforms and what abuses are allowed to persist), environmental necessities, economics, and of course policing. The most destructive plague in human history is also the most adept chameleon, able to either be in your face, or weave itself so effectively into any system, that certain people cannot see it, yet they're suffering from the effects of it, or on the other side of the matter, benefitting from it. To the point about racial experiences and generation, in the past i've had to inform another member about the way in which a certain TV character, namely Camrus Johnson's Luke Fox from Batwoman) (a performer who was born in the same year--1994--as Aaron "John" Pierre) would never interact with the police as seen in one of the Batwoman episodes, as he would have been handed the grim heirloom--like most Black people in this society--of not behaving in any way which would lead to a police officer resorting to a systemic reaction of violence toward him.

If the Luke Fox character was--for theory's sake--the same as the actor portraying him, then he (and obviously his parents) did not grow up in some racism-free paradise by any stretch of the imagination, not in the 90s, or in the early 2000s, where--for example--the reference to events such as Obama's election--is habitually & purposely misused as some evidence of a "post racial society," which is a lie...and a dangerous one, as that fairy tale attempted to smoke and mirror racial harmony throughout all facets of life to protect its ever-active presence and application.

Racism has not taken a leave of absence...or lost its crushing impact in this anything other than a "united" society, thus it takes us back to the subject of John's rearing, and how it made sense---if you know. Yes, it was constructed to strike an emotional chord, but its a realism-based reflection of the kind of psychological training innumerable Black people from every generation--had to endure as a matter of survival, knowing every step of the way that survival against the most destructive plague in human history is no guarantee at all.

...and so we have the reactions. Its all too predictable to see people such as the cretins from Film Threat, or Jesterbelle, Nerdrotic and the others in that legion of anti-Black, astoundingly ignorant miscreants (and I will note, some of its members are not White, yet they seek to be White Wing adjacent) move with the uniformity of Olympic ice skaters the moment the topic of race in relation to the Black experience is ever referred to. Just recall many of the same deviants' similar, nuclear reactions to key racial plots in The Flacon and the Winter Soldier series. Rinse and repeat with Lanterns. If the Black experience either confuses or enrages them so much, they do have an option--an emotional kill switch in the form of...watching something else.

Good post!

 

[Ragitsu]

The scene where Hal was in the process of recovering from ghastly burns, only to remark that he didn't want to be made "black", was subtly bigoted. To be honest, I am amazed that bit of dialogue not only managed to find its way onto the show, but was delivered by a purported "good guy".

 

[Ricky Spanish]

The scene where Hal was in the process of recovering from ghastly burns, only to remark that he didn't want to be made "black", was subtly bigoted. To be honest, I am amazed that bit of dialogue not only managed to find its way onto the show, but was delivered by a purported "good guy".

Because people are complicated and their shortcomings shouldn’t be ignored. We’re complex creatures.

Also probably a meta-commentary on the difficulties black super heroes have had gaining traction in a very white medium.

 

[Mudd]

May I just say how endearing I found Hal Jordan's enthusiasm for Schlitz beer?

 

[Ricky Spanish]

May I just say how endearing I found Hal Jordan's enthusiasm for Schlitz beer?

I didn't know that they still made that piss water.

 

[Mudd]

I didn't know that they still made that piss water.

Of course they do.

All American beers are bottled from the same vat now, distinguished only by added water content.

 

[Kai "the spy"]

The scene where Hal was in the process of recovering from ghastly burns, only to remark that he didn't want to be made "black", was subtly bigoted. To be honest, I am amazed that bit of dialogue not only managed to find its way onto the show, but was delivered by a purported "good guy".

Was there such a scene? I don't remember. I do remember when John was about to be treated for his severe burns by Zoe, and he told her that if her treatment turned him white, their deal would be off.

 

[A Koalaty of Mercy]

Of course they do.

All American beers are bottled from the same vat now, distinguished only by added water content.

Amber Bock was the only mass produced beer made here I'd drink and it's hard to find now. My preference is Guinness.

 

[FrankenTron]

Some have this gross misunderstanding of racism and its never-ending presence and application in all areas of life, which usually begins with the erroneous notion of open racism last existing in the 1950s - 70s.

If one does not know...he does not know.

In the U.S., racism is a constant in nearly every part of life, from employment (private and government), education, social interactions (obviously including most social media platforms and what abuses are allowed to persist), environmental necessities, economics, and of course policing. The most destructive plague in human history is also the most adept chameleon, able to either be in your face, or weave itself so effectively into any system, that certain people cannot see it, yet they're suffering from the effects of it, or on the other side of the matter, benefitting from it. To the point about racial experiences and generation, in the past i've had to inform another member about the way in which a certain TV character, namely Camrus Johnson's Luke Fox from Batwoman) (a performer who was born in the same year--1994--as Aaron "John" Pierre) would never interact with the police as seen in one of the Batwoman episodes, as he would have been handed the grim heirloom--like most Black people in this society--of not behaving in any way which would lead to a police officer resorting to a systemic reaction of violence toward him.

If the Luke Fox character was--for theory's sake--the same as the actor portraying him, then he (and obviously his parents) did not grow up in some racism-free paradise by any stretch of the imagination, not in the 90s, or in the early 2000s, where--for example--the reference to events such as Obama's election--is habitually & purposely misused as some evidence of a "post racial society," which is a lie...and a dangerous one, as that fairy tale attempted to smoke and mirror racial harmony throughout all facets of life to protect its ever-active presence and application.

Racism has not taken a leave of absence...or lost its crushing impact in this anything other than a "united" society, thus it takes us back to the subject of John's rearing, and how it made sense---if you know. Yes, it was constructed to strike an emotional chord, but its a realism-based reflection of the kind of psychological training innumerable Black people from every generation--had to endure as a matter of survival, knowing every step of the way that survival against the most destructive plague in human history is no guarantee at all.

...and so we have the reactions. Its all too predictable to see people such as the cretins from Film Threat, or Jesterbelle, Nerdrotic and the others in that legion of anti-Black, astoundingly ignorant miscreants (and I will note, some of its members are not White, yet they seek to be White Wing adjacent) move with the uniformity of Olympic ice skaters the moment the topic of race in relation to the Black experience is ever referred to. Just recall many of the same deviants' similar, nuclear reactions to key racial plots in The Flacon and the Winter Soldier series. Rinse and repeat with Lanterns. If the Black experience either confuses or enrages them so much, they do have an option--an emotional kill switch in the form of...watching something else.

Thats a lot of words about things we all know about with not much revelation. I do not have a gross misunderstanding of racism. I've dealt with it when I was a child for a good decade of my school years. It was pretty constant. Outright hate because of the way I looked. School and being social with my peers were both totally ruined for me because of it. Not until I went to college did I finally get the chance to see that things weren't like that everywhere. It was by that point too late for me in some ways. So I know racism exists. It probably always will. I never said it didn't. Ignorance and hatred breeds it. I also didnt say racism last existed in the 50s, 60s or 70s. But you know as well as I do that things got better after the 60s ended. You cannot claim otherwise. So racism still exists. Ok. We managed to determine that. But thats not the discussion I wanted because I didn't mention racism first. Anwar did. I wanted to talk about what the parents did to John.

Child abuse is not excused by racism. They were shooting apples off their sons head. All because they wanted green lanterns ring. Never talked about helping people with the ring only that they deserved it and Jordan didn't. If you want to talk about that im all for it. But to put their child in danger like that it takes a special kind of twisted. Ive never owned a gun or even held one because frankly I detest them. But I do know that no one should ever point a gun at anyone even when its not loaded. These morons not only pointed a loaded gun at their child but they were shooting apples off his head. If they felt "invisible" in the 1990s did that give them the right to later put their son in mortal danger ? In my opinon they did not have that right.

I also hope you weren't putting me in the same company as the people at the end of your post. I never even heard of most of them.

 

[Guy Gardener]

The thing is if john is in Space representing Earth depicting himself as the dominant life form, then the aliens writing encyclopedias and tourism guidebooks, may not even know that white people exist.

 

[Rose Harper]

The scene where Hal was in the process of recovering from ghastly burns, only to remark that he didn't want to be made "black", was subtly bigoted. To be honest, I am amazed that bit of dialogue not only managed to find its way onto the show, but was delivered by a purported "good guy".

Didn't happen. Hal's dialog is pretty limited as he recovers

 

[camdudetenger2018]

i wonder what season 2 is gonna be about if lanterns gets renewed

john stewart encounters peacemaker and they team up to take on bad aliens from outer space lol lol while the lawyer finds out that his son is a half manhunter and that he probley could be one too and at the same time the sheriff is changing into a half human half machine too

 

[Ovation]

i wonder what season 2 is gonna be about if lanterns gets renewed

john stewart encounters peacemaker and they team up to take on bad aliens from outer space lol lol while the lawyer finds out that his son is a half manhunter and that he probley could be one too and at the same time the sheriff is changing into a half human half machine too

You should avoid the red plate brownies. You’re not ready. Blue plate brownies only. Blue. Plate.

 

[Rose Harper]

i wonder what season 2 is gonna be about if lanterns gets renewed

john stewart encounters peacemaker and they team up to take on bad aliens from outer space lol lol while the lawyer finds out that his son is a half manhunter and that he probley could be one too and at the same time the sheriff is changing into a half human half machine too

I think the boy is 100% Manhunter

 

[theenglish]

The thing is if john is in Space representing Earth depicting himself as the dominant life form, then the aliens writing encyclopedias and tourism guidebooks, may not even know that white people exist.

They could do a Left Hand of Darkness storyline.

 

[Guy Gardener]

I think the boy is 100% Manhunter

If he grew inside Kerry, I'd fight you on that, but If Zoe walked into the nursery at the hospital, and then snapped the real baby Noah's neck and dumped him with the used up band aides in the medical waste bin, that muddies the water.

1. Manhunter bodies are synthetic.
2. Manhunter persona's are AI.
3. We saw John get stamped with artificial memories, so AI can infest a biological body.
4. If Noah, as we know him is AI, was the real Noah erased as a baby, or has he been in the background hiding, who is a full person, or is the real Noah still a baby, or is the real Noah completely feral or very insane?
5. One gram of plastic on the inside of Noah's skull is more than enough room to house an artificial alien parasite, and replace Noah's biological brain.

 

[JD]

I was about to post that Noah was meant to be half human, but now that I think about it, I don't think they ever actually said that. All we know is that Zoe did something to Kerry that allowed him to be born.