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News Kurtzman: Spock And Filling In Canon

Not in Star Trek.
Well, this is the same universe where Admiral Cartwright, Admiral Dougherty, Commodore Decker, Commodore Stocker, Admiral Jameson, Norah Satie, Admiral Kennelly, Erik Pressman, and Admiral Leyton made it to the top.

Admiral Marcus for the Kelvin timeline.

Fair arguments can be made for Admirals Kirk and Janeway. It's surprising they bothered to demote Kirk when they let a few of the guys above hang onto admiralty much longer.
 
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Eager to genocide the Borg :borg: (although to be fair this might have been valid...)

Why is Nechayev thrown in with the other crazy Admirals? She gave Picard ad order that she probably wishes she didn't have to give in the first place to secure the safety of the entire federation. The Borg should have been wiped out. Trillions of lives across the galaxy could have been saved from ever becoming Borg in the first place if Picard had followed his orders. Nechayev was well within her rights to have Picard before a court martial or remove him from command of the enterprise, but all he got was a verbal dressing down. Hardly the actions of a madwoman.
 
Why is Nechayev thrown in with the other crazy Admirals? She gave Picard ad order that she probably wishes she didn't have to give in the first place to secure the safety of the entire federation. The Borg should have been wiped out. Trillions of lives across the galaxy could have been saved from ever becoming Borg in the first place if Picard had followed his orders. Nechayev was well within her rights to have Picard before a court martial or remove him from command of the enterprise, but all he got was a verbal dressing down. Hardly the actions of a madwoman.
Ok, sorry I'll remove her name from the list.
 
Spock's OWN Parents didn't show up for his Ponn Farr Wedding cerimony in TOS - "Amok Time" (Even though the engagement was by his Parent's arrangement.) ;)

And the wedding took place on Vulcan!

And I don't think anybody (except T'Pring) really expected a lust-crazed battle to the death. My impression was that T'Pring invoked an ancient tradition that was rarely if ever acted on those days.

Kind of like the part in a modern wedding ceremony where the officiate asks the guests if anyone present has any objections to the union. Nobody present really expects anyone to stand up and say anything. It's just a formality.
 
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Sarek didn't attend Spock's wedding for one important reason. ;)

Amanda: Sarek, it's the day of Spock's wedding. Why aren't you ready?

Sarek: I don't like sand. It's coarse, and rough, and irritating, and it gets everywhere.

Amanda: And I thought I was the illogical one around here.
 
Why is Nechayev thrown in with the other crazy Admirals? She gave Picard ad order that she probably wishes she didn't have to give in the first place to secure the safety of the entire federation. The Borg should have been wiped out. Trillions of lives across the galaxy could have been saved from ever becoming Borg in the first place if Picard had followed his orders. Nechayev was well within her rights to have Picard before a court martial or remove him from command of the enterprise, but all he got was a verbal dressing down. Hardly the actions of a madwoman.
How are the Borg different from the Klingons? Genocide is genocide after all.
 
How are the Borg different from the Klingons? Genocide is genocide after all.
The Borg assimilate entire species. The Klingons and other species do not. The Borg are essentially parasitic, but also are a unique level or order that is higher in complexity than a planetary race. One could almost consider them more of a super-culture than a species, only the cultural variation does not come from individuals participating in it. It comes from the averages of all assimilated cultures. In that way it is also similar to the Federation which assimilates cultures but instead allows them all to interact and evolve in the same way they do when there is just one species.

I'm not sure genocide is the right term here. If the Borg were instantly wiped out and all blown up, then both the machine species and all the assimilated cultures would be wiped out. However if they machines were deactivated in some way, some of the cultures would have drones who could recover so there is some in-between area. But even in the latter case, only the machine part retains memories of long gone, assimilated cultures. The best solution would be to develop a virus that gives the federation complete control of the collective and have them hard code in some rules to prevent the Borg from behaving the way they do. Because for fuck's sake assimilating people to incorporate cultural data is extremely inefficient. All they need is the data. The trillions of drones are waste. Humans are something like 20% efficient. If there were mechanical drones with high performance superconducting computers instead of brains the energy savings would be 3-4x.
 
If they are a unique culture, regardless of the mechanism, then genocide is absolutely the right term of the destruction of the entire super culture.

It also points to the fact that the Federation cannot negotiate with all enemies, such as the Borg or the Dominion. There are going to be times when negotiation fails and combat is necessary. Again, the above "best solution" is a virus that gives the Federation control of the Borg collective. So, another kind of assimilation.
 
If they are a unique culture, regardless of the mechanism, then genocide is absolutely the right term of the destruction of the entire super culture.

It also points to the fact that the Federation cannot negotiate with all enemies, such as the Borg or the Dominion. There are going to be times when negotiation fails and combat is necessary. Again, the above "best solution" is a virus that gives the Federation control of the Borg collective. So, another kind of assimilation.

Unfortunate to say the least, but also reflective of real life.
 
And the wedding took place on Vulcan!

And I don't think anybody (except T'Pring) really expected a lust-crazed battle to the death. My impression was that T'Pring invoked an ancient tradition that was rarely if ever acted on those days.

Kind of like the part in a modern wedding ceremony where the officiate asks the guests if anyone present has any objections to the union. Nobody present really expects anyone to stand up and say anything. It's just a formality.
I'm not sure Spock getting married to someone he clearly hardly knows and has little to do with in 'Amok Time' would have been a happy moment for Amanda, honestly. It's just another element of Vulcan culture she may have had little choice but to play along with.

Remember, Amanda knows full well that Sarek dealt with his Pon Farr with Sybok's mother, but in the end his heart was with Amanda. We saw the same thing happen with T'Pol, Koss, and Trip (which means this sort of thing is probably common with Vulcans). Why would Amanda wish this same sort of fate for her son?

I think Amanda would much prefer that her son spend the rest of his life with someone who understands and accepts him, which T'Pring clearly didn't.

Even given that Spock could die due to his Pon Farr, Amanda may very well have preferred he dealt with it via Orion escort, as foreign as the idea may seem to current 21st century thinking. The Orion escort wouldn't be doing anything she wasn't already doing, and then after the Pon Farr is dealt with Spock and the escort can go on their separate ways. I have no idea what the "legality" of this would be under 23rd century Federation law, but surely an exception could be made considering Spock's life was at stake.

In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if, in-universe, many Vulcans found the above idea far more logical than tying their lives to someone they barely know in some childhood betrothal. And the Orions probably made a big business from this, "helping" Vulcans through Pon Farr who found life long marriage to strangers illogical. Spock's family probably went with the betrothal option because they are high class nobility, or whatever (have estates dating centuries, ties with T'Pau, big shot ambassador, etc).

Strictly speaking, this is probably far more moral than tying Spock to someone (for over a century of life) that he barely knows and has little to do with, very likely messing up Spock's own wishes for his life directions as well as T'Pring's (which were clearly headed in a different direction from Spock's as well, as she wanted a life with Stonn).
 
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Orion escorts mating with Vulcsns is Canon?
Humans can with vulcans and orions can with humans per tos, ST09 and ent, so i don't see why not.

Obviously the orion women will be financially compensated and if they are doing it willingly, they would say it isn't wrong. The orions can easily point out that using betrothals to deal with pon farr is far more damaging to the vulcans (citing koss and t' pol, spock and t'pring, etc) and that their business is a compassionate service that helps vulcans deal with pon farr without resorting to illogical and arguably immoral child betrothals that don't take into account the individual lives and wishes of those betrothed because they are too young to make that choice--and unwanted betrothals/marriages could affect vulcans for their centuries of life.
 
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