I hope this is a joke?
But, if not, do you have any evidence to base the slander on? Or is it a figment of your imagination?
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I hope this is a joke?
But, if not, do you have any evidence to base the slander on? Or is it a figment of your imagination?
That’s a pretty hefty accusation with absolutely nothing to base it on. Not going to let this go without you providing some evidence. Please do so.
Citation needed.
He’s joking.
I stated in the original post discovery is socially unacceptable to criticize, so I don't know why that double standard exists
He read it in a Facebook group, so it's gotta be true!
But that's not true, it's perfectly fine to criticize Discovery, there's just a difference between criticism and shitposting.
When much of the criticism is wrapped in sexist, racist or homophobic rethoric that's obviously socially unacceptable as it should be. But there are many members here who don't like Discovery and don't do that, the show gets criticised all the time.
Some criticism is also simply ridiculous, I remember someone complaining that Discovery season 3 won't have a straight, white male regular character. Oh boohoo, one of the most overrepresented groups isn't represented for once, now the not represented person only has 32 previous seasons of Star Trek, 13 movies and the upcoming Picard show to fall back on and of course 95% of all other western media.
Anyone who reads a Discovery episode discussion thread beyond its thirtieth page knows this is just not true. The last few dozen pages are always focused on in-depth criticism of plot holes, inconsistencies, characterization issues, clunky dialogue, sometimes even the production design and camera work. Yeah, I might not like this and some others don't like it either, but that doesn't mean Discovery is a sacred cow by any measure.
Ummmm..... ok
Yeah....no
I have been criticizing Discovery since about 15 minutes into first episode of first season. It's totally acceptable to criticize it. I'd go even further and say that if no one would criticize it at all, this forum would have 10% of the current traffic (there would always be a few fanboyz, but majority of us come for critical discussions)
This statement is not accurate though. Discovery gets lambasted all over the place for things that other Treks do. Yes, lots of people defend it too, but that does not make it socially unacceptable.
I mean, what are we supposed to do? Not defend the show and not disagree with a post? If I went into a forum devoted to something I was critical of, and I posted critical things, I'd be surprised if someone didn't try to counter what I said.
I'm okay with the vast majority of the people who criticize DSC. When it comes to who I'm not okay with, I guarantee you Discovery has nothing to do with it. It's just the latest front in a general disagreement we've had for years, soon to be going on decades. If someone's just critical of the show and that's all there is, then fine. At least to a degree.
I don't have issues with criticism per se. I have issues with unfair criticism. I have issues with using Discovery to talk about something else. If someone's complaining about "SJWs!", then are they really talking about Discovery or are they just using it as a front for Culture Wars? I also have issues with people using TOS or TNG as a weapon to bang us over the head with how much they don't like Discovery. DSC isn't like those shows because it isn't trying to be like them, and those shows aren't going anywhere.
And there a couple of things in the S2 finale that I personally thought were stupid:
See how easy that was? So nothing's above criticism.
I'm okay with the vast majority of the people who criticize DSC. When it comes to who I'm not okay with, I guarantee you Discovery has nothing to do with it. It's just the latest front in a general disagreement we've had for years, soon to be going on decades. If someone's just critical of the show and that's all there is, then fine. At least to a degree.
I don't have issues with criticism per se. I have issues with unfair criticism. I have issues with using Discovery to talk about something else. If someone's complaining about "SJWs!", then are they really talking about Discovery or are they just using it as a front for Culture Wars? I also have issues with people using TOS or TNG as a weapon to bang us over the head with how much they don't like Discovery. DSC isn't like those shows because it isn't trying to be like them, and those shows aren't going anywhere.
And there a couple of things in the S2 finale that I personally thought were stupid:
Sarek and Amanda saying goodbye to Micheal in person, in the middle of a huge battle, for one thing. The Enterprise looking like a huge chomp was taken out of it, for another. That just looked goofy.
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It doesn't.
I'm very much a fan of Discovery, but I've been very pretty up front about things I didn't care for, like the initial Klingon designs, or the tendency to let Burnham monologue too much. I don't know anyone who hasn't been critical of some element of the show, now that I think of it.
As far as comparing it to TNG criticisms, TNG has some many astounding moments, but its also old enough for everyone to decide whether some parts have aged well, and a few parts haven't. If Discovery is lucky enough to be as watched 30 years later, it will also be picked over repeatedly and some parts will just be dated. Or it might be regarded even better after those years. Time will tell.
I'll just be glad the world will be around with the luxury for people to spend vast amount of time discussing old tv, if that happens. I kind of thought we'd be too busy with our flying cars and vacation trips to the moon in 2019 to worry about TNG back when I was a kid in 88
I have problems with a lot of the media I consume. I could write an essay about what I don't like about Rogue One or Star Trek: Voyager and even stuff I like, including Discovery and The Last Jedi and all of their flaws. I choose to stay relatively positive because at the end of the day, what's the fun in being negative about EVERYTHING?
Entertainment isn't perfect. Its made by humans, after all. We kinda suck at stuff sometimes.
Entertainment isn't perfect. Its made by humans, after all. We kinda suck at stuff sometimes.
I believe it was Dr. Cronin Lee who demonstrated that is is socially virtuous to criticize both Discovery and TNG, provided the critique is executed with elan and integrity.
But it is, for sure, socially taboo to criticize Japanese Spider-Man and Kurtzman's The Mummy.
Lmao, what? You’re allowed to criticize discovery.
1 visit to the Discovery forum should demonstrate that! It's a diverse amount of love, criticism, and everything in between.
That’s about 90% of my criticism. If someone ever starts a drinking game about her monologues, no one will get out alive.
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