Kronos? Or not

[Sci]

Just to confuse matters, here's Qo'noS in 2151:

And here it is again in 2367:

Pollution ? Different planet ? Visual effects mistake ? Taking all bets, I also offer video poker!

I'd either chalk it up to the long-term effects of the Praxis explosion on Qo'noS's atmosphere, or to a simple change in atmospheric appearance on the basis of the relative position of the observer. They're both greenish; I wouldn't consider the differences sufficiently minor to care overly much. You might as well wonder why Earth looked different in Star Trek: The Motion Picture vs. Star Trek: First Contact.

Shots of the planet's surface show very different atmospheric conditions as well.

Well, it's unreasonable to expect the atmosphere to look the same from everywhere across centuries of time. Earth's sky will look very different depending on what the weather's like and what time of day you're looking at it, after all. Besides, the capital city in ENT was clearly different from the First City, so ENT probably presented a different location on the surface, too.

 

[Timo]

Really, I have a hard time seeing grounds for an argument here. Based on the above pictures, the planets in ENT and TNG look completely identical, as far as Star Trek planets go at least. Both have a greenish hue to the atmosphere, and both have grey continents and blue seas. And both have cloud patterns, which appear as really dark and stormy when seen from below in ENT and TNG alike. Where do you see a difference?

In contrast, Vulcan has been portrayed in several colors in the various series. But that in turn looks and sounds completely acceptable in terms of current planetological knowledge. Vulcan is supposedly pretty much like Mars or Sahara in having large areas of loose sandy surface - so seasonal storms could change the color of the entire planet from red to pink to yellow in a matter of days, much like happens to Mars.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Maurice]

During the Khitomer scene in VI the Federation President clearly makes reference to "The evacuation of Kronos within a 50 Earth-year time span"

And this, after Kirk and McCoy are arrested on Kronos One...

VALERIS: We cannot allow them to be taken back to Kronos as prisoners.

 

[Hermiod]

Really, I have a hard time seeing grounds for an argument here. Based on the above pictures, the planets in ENT and TNG look completely identical, as far as Star Trek planets go at least. Both have a greenish hue to the atmosphere, and both have grey continents and blue seas. And both have cloud patterns, which appear as really dark and stormy when seen from below in ENT and TNG alike. Where do you see a difference?

In contrast, Vulcan has been portrayed in several colors in the various series. But that in turn looks and sounds completely acceptable in terms of current planetological knowledge. Vulcan is supposedly pretty much like Mars or Sahara in having large areas of loose sandy surface - so seasonal storms could change the color of the entire planet from red to pink to yellow in a matter of days, much like happens to Mars.

That's why I offered visual effects mistake (or just an improvement) as a possibility.

 

[Therin of Andor]

By the way, is there any other material (novels etc) that uses the term 'Klinshai', the name given to the Klingon home world in the Star Fleet Universe?

Klinzhai was coined by John M Ford for the novel, "The Final Reflection", and he was then hired by FASA to incorporate his Klingon ideas into their Klingon source books.

Several novels after "The Final Reflection" began to use the term, but this term was dropped after the memo of 1989 when all tie-in licenses were renewed. Until after GR's death, when lots of things started to filter back in.

 

[Timo]

I do see one argument in favor of declaring the ENT planet of "Broken Bow" and the TNG planet of "Sins of the Father" and "Redemption" two separate worlds...

Namely, the planet in "Broken Bow" was never identified as the Klingon capital, or given a name. It was merely identified as the Klingon planet where Klaang originated from; no connection in dialogue was made between this planet and the separately mentioned overall Klingon homeworld Kronos.

The upside? If we chose to consider Klaang's homeworld an outlying Klingon colony (no doubt colonized by the criteria of being as Kronos-like as possible!), it would be that much easier to accept that it lies only four warp-five-days away from Earth.

Also, if there was trouble fomenting between Klingon factions, it might make great sense for one of those factions to have its headquarters away from the capital world...

Timo Saloniemi

Edit: On second look, the Vulcan character named "Tos" in the script does say that Klaang's body was to be taken to Kronos specifically. But that arrangement might have been subject to change, and it would be in Vulcan interests to limit the depth to which Earth's first true interstellar foray penetrated the Klingon territory...

 

[Dane_Whitman]

Namely, the planet in "Broken Bow" was never identified as the Klingon capital, or given a name. It was merely identified as the Klingon planet where Klaang originated from; no connection in dialogue was made between this planet and the separately mentioned overall Klingon homeworld Kronos.

From ENT "Unexpected":

T'Pol: "Less than one month ago, Captain Archer stood in the High Council Chamber in Kronos."

 

[Timo]

Okay, that would seem to take care of that...

Although whether the room shown in "Broken Bow" really was a "High Council Chamber" or not is debatable. But T'Pol could easily be taking minor liberties with truth here, as is the Vulcan custom.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Dane_Whitman]

I always figured the Klingons simply chose a different location to function as High Council Chamber somewhere between "Broken Bow" and "Sins of the Father". Hey, the Klingons might be considered a race of traditions, but even they may have grown bored with the place after a couple of centuries.

 

[Nerroth]

Thanks for the clarification - so basically if it's not in the SFU, the closest you'd find is the z in place of s...

(Or rather, that ADB went with s instead of z for Klinshai.)

 

[c0rnedfr0g]

Just to confuse matters, here's Qo'noS in 2151:

And here it is again in 2367:

Pollution ? Different planet ? Visual effects mistake ? Taking all bets, I also offer video poker!

Shots of the planet's surface show very different atmospheric conditions as well.

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i don't think they look that drastically different.

Cloud cover? different side of planet? it works in my book