Kronos? Or not

[RobertScorpio]

Aside from being referred to as Kronos in TUC, is the Klingon Home world ever referred to as Koronos in any episodes of TNG? And like wise, DS9-Voy-Ent?

I say no, it was never called Kronos during TNG's run or any movie...as for DS9-Voy-Ent, I am not sure...my friend says it was referred to as Kronos in all modern trek series..which is it?


Rob
Scorpio

 

[Therin of Andor]

as for DS9-Voy-Ent, I am not sure...my friend says it was referred to as Kronos in all modern trek series..which is it?

Easily answered by Memory Alpha:

http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Qo%27noS

Definitely used in DS9: "Tears of the Prophets".

 

[Finn]

I believe it was in that DS9 episode where Quark was taken to the Klingon homeworld his Klingon "wife" called it Kronos Five.

 

[Sci]

Qo'noS has been called such numerous times throughout the canon, and even more times in the novels.

 

[JNG]

I believe it was in that DS9 episode where Quark was taken to the Klingon homeworld his Klingon "wife" called it Kronos Five.

I can't find any evidence of such a thing. I don't have any reason to think the star is called Qo'noS, as such a numbering scheme would imply. I think that's just what the Klingons call the planet.

 

[Kronos]

Someone call?

 

[Anticitizen]

As far as I know, there's absolutely nothing known about the planet onscreen, including whether it's the same Klingon homeworld before ST:VI and after. Seems like an important detail to miss, doesn't it?

 

[Timo]

I'm sort of delighted that Klingons get to be a bit eccentric in this respect. For the longest time, their homeworld was simply known as "The Homeworld", which is nice change from the custom of calling the planet by the (Federation-given?) name of the star and adding a Roman number. Perhaps Klingons refused to settle for this standard Universal Translator naming practice and insisted on their own tradition?

Onscreen, we have three designations that seem to refer to the Klingon home planet: "The Homeworld", "Kronos" and "Kling" (the latter uniquely from TNG "Heart of Glory"). Sounds pretty much like the way we humans do it... "Kling" sounds rather like it could be "The place of Klingons" or perhaps "Klingonkind" without really being the name of the planet, while "Kronos" sounds like a proper name. Unless it's another Universal Translation and refers to the idea that the planet is the time-honored Klingon home, or the source of all time, or whatever.

Certainly all three beat calling your home "Dirt", like we do.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[RobertScorpio]

The bet, 50$, comes down to this. What the tern Q'onos or Kronos ever uttered by anyone during the seven seasons of TNG? I say no...friend says yes...what say you???

Rob

 

[Timo]

It wasn't heard during the TNG episodes, no.

It was invented for ST6:TUC, although never explicated there to refer to the homeworld, only being mentioned in the context of the vessel or flight designated Kronos 1 - so we might have deduced that "Kronos" refers to the government or leadership of the Empire. And TUC premiered in late 1991, so theoretically in time for the last three seasons of TNG. But no reference was made in the few remaining episodes dealing with Klingons - "Aquiel", "Rightful Heir" and "Firstborn".

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Marie1]

I like the MA explanation that its Kronos for English, or at least, some pronunciations, and Qo'nos for the Klingons... at least from MA and a combo of TNG and DS9...

 

[Sci]

I like the MA explanation that its Kronos for English, or at least, some pronunciations, and Qo'nos for the Klingons... at least from MA and a combo of TNG and DS9...

Erm, that's not what it's saying. It's just saying that "Kronos" and "Qo'noS" are two different ways of transliterating the word into the English alphabet. It's no different than how "北京" can be transliterated into English as being either "Peking" or "Beijing."

 

[Marie1]

Ah. I see.

I thought that first part from MA:
"Only Qo'noS endures". - Klingon death chant (DS9: "Tears of the Prophets") Qo'noS (transliterated to Kronos in English)

Meant that the DS9 quote was spoken by Klingons... and saying it how they would say it, as opposed to how a Human, given their accent would say it, since we usually put Us after Qs.

 

[Sharr Khan]

It wasn't heard during the TNG episodes, no.

It was invented for ST6:TUC, although never explicated there to refer to the homeworld, only being mentioned in the context of the vessel or flight designated Kronos 1 - so we might have deduced that "Kronos" refers to the government or leadership of the Empire. And TUC premiered in late 1991, so theoretically in time for the last three seasons of TNG. But no reference was made in the few remaining episodes dealing with Klingons - "Aquiel", "Rightful Heir" and "Firstborn".

Timo Saloniemi

During the Khitomer scene in VI the Federation President clearly makes reference to "The evacuation of Kronos within a 50 Earth-year time span"


Sharr

 

[RobertScorpio]

It wasn't heard during the TNG episodes, no.

It was invented for ST6:TUC, although never explicated there to refer to the homeworld, only being mentioned in the context of the vessel or flight designated Kronos 1 - so we might have deduced that "Kronos" refers to the government or leadership of the Empire. And TUC premiered in late 1991, so theoretically in time for the last three seasons of TNG. But no reference was made in the few remaining episodes dealing with Klingons - "Aquiel", "Rightful Heir" and "Firstborn".

Timo Saloniemi

During the Khitomer scene in VI the Federation President clearly makes reference to "The evacuation of Kronos within a 50 Earth-year time span"... by the way I like it better than...KLING.,,yuck


Sharr

that was star trek 6...which was the first time it was referred to as kronos...but from then on, at least in TNG, even the movies, it was not uttered by TNG at all..

Rob

 

[Sharr Khan]

It wasn't heard during the TNG episodes, no.

It was invented for ST6:TUC, although never explicated there to refer to the homeworld, only being mentioned in the context of the vessel or flight designated Kronos 1 - so we might have deduced that "Kronos" refers to the government or leadership of the Empire. And TUC premiered in late 1991, so theoretically in time for the last three seasons of TNG. But no reference was made in the few remaining episodes dealing with Klingons - "Aquiel", "Rightful Heir" and "Firstborn".

Timo Saloniemi

During the Khitomer scene in VI the Federation President clearly makes reference to "The evacuation of Kronos within a 50 Earth-year time span"... by the way I like it better than...KLING.,,yuck


Sharr

that was star trek 6...which was the first time it was referred to as kronos...but from then on, at least in TNG, even the movies, it was not uttered by TNG at all..

Rob

It was invented for ST6:TUC, although never explicated there to refer to the homeworld, only being mentioned in the context of the vessel or flight designated Kronos 1

My point was that Timo's mistaken in that "Kronos" only ever mentioned in reference to Kronos One and not a homeworld - clearly the FedPres meant the homeworld when he spoke about Kronos, a planet and not a starship

Sharr

 

[Nerroth]

By the way, is there any other material (novels etc) that uses the term 'Klinshai', the name given to the Klingon home world in the Star Fleet Universe?

 

[Timo]

We could argue that "Klinzhai" is the word that gets translated to "The Homeworld" in all those TNG episodes. That is, it would break down to something like "Klin = Klingondom (similar to Mankind)" and "Zhai = home" or "hearth" or something like that (at least an ancient word for it, not a Marc Okrand one).

Some speakers would shorten that to simple "Klin", equating the planet with the culture... So in "Heart of Glory" we would have people say that there are "traitors of Klin" (people who have betrayed Klingondom), or that the prisoners will be taken "to Klin" for judgement (to be judged by Klingondom).

My point was that Timo's mistaken in that "Kronos" only ever mentioned in reference to Kronos One and not a homeworld - clearly the FedPres meant the homeworld when he spoke about Kronos, a planet and not a starship.

Right, my bad. ST6 clearly intended Kronos to be a planet, but I didn't realize the intention was explicated in the movie.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Hermiod]

Just to confuse matters, here's Qo'noS in 2151:

And here it is again in 2367:

Pollution ? Different planet ? Visual effects mistake ? Taking all bets, I also offer video poker!

Shots of the planet's surface show very different atmospheric conditions as well.

The above images are hosted on my personal Google Pages webspace and are not hotlinked.

 

[captcalhoun]

that's easy, it looks different in ENT to TNG because of environmental effects from the destruction of Praxis.

as for Klinzhai: the novel of TUC uses Klinzhai as a local dialect word for Klingons themselves on a border world.

Is Qon'os used in Unification, which was made around the time of TUC?