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Are you surprised at the IMDB ratings for all Trek Series ? (TNG 1st, DIS last)

Ray Hardgrit said:
I was surprised by those ratings at first, because TOS and TNG are pretty damn high for series with such wild swings in quality. But then I realised those are what people are rating the series overall, not an average of the episodes.

Here's what an average of the episode ratings looks like by comparison:

PRO 8.0
SNW 7.9
LW 7.8
PIC 7.6
DS9 7.5
ENT 7.5
TOS 7.3
TNG 7.3
VOY 7.3
DIS 6.8
TAS 6.6

I guess people didn't get the memo to review bomb Lower Decks.
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I think the assumption that Discovery
got low ratings simply because its not familiar typical Trek is overstated. Trek or otherwise, I don't hear much praise for Discovery as a standalone Sci fi show . Not like a show like Sense8 got for example. .Lower Decks on the other and I think was praised in an standalone way and it also appealed to a sizable amount of Trek fans
 
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The Wormhole said:
I'll be the first to admit Disco was flawed and not my personal favorite Trek series, but it was also unfairly judged by many who deemed it "too woke."
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True but I think that's a vocal minority . The same people screaming on social media and complaining about the new Dr Who or anything they see as overtly "progessive". .

I'm not saying it's necessarily true for Discovery( opinions will vary) , but it is possible for something to be unfairly labeled as "woke" and also be subpar. Ghostbusters 2016 for example got unfairly attacked by that segment. Pretty sad. But when I watch the movie, I felt it was a poor film simply as a movie without prejudging It.
 
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Lord Garth said:
7.0 for DSC is pretty good, considering a lot of people probably review-bombed the Hell out of the show.

TNG being at the top isn't a surprise. TOS just underneath it also isn't a surprise. SNW over DS9? Setting aside that I don't like SNW, I'm still surprised it's ahead of DS9. I thought DS9 was the critical darling of Star Trek. If TOS and TNG are the mainstream classics, then DS9 is the underground classic. But anyway...

The first two seasons of PIC are what probably knocked that series down overall. And I say this as someone who likes the first two seasons. The first more so than the second, but still. I know what the general reception is.

Everything else is pretty much where I thought it would be, regardless of my own opinions. Well, TAS seems a bit higher than what I'd expect, but that's about it.


Very much so. Still interesting nonetheless, especially after those flaws are taken into account.

For example: anything with a female lead, I automatically add half a point in my mind. To off-set the "They made it woke!" reactionaries, and their predecessors from the '90s and '00s: those "They made it PC!" reactionaries. Many of whom are probably the same people, among the older set.
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Curious. Would you add half a point to Voyager? And LD? I don't get the same feeling of uproar from the PC police especially Voyager.
 
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Given the vocal Haterade Discovery got not a surprise, although IDK how anyone can seriously find it worse than Voyager or Enterprise.

Lord Garth said:
I thought DS9 was the critical darling of Star Trek. If TOS and TNG are the mainstream classics, then DS9 is the underground classic.
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The extremely vocal subset of DS9 fans who have been prevalent in the online fandom certainly create that impression by consistently talking about it like it's Twin Peaks or The Wire. As it stands TOS and TNG are almost universally regarded as the two best shows outside the fandom. They were both nominated for best drama at the Emmy's while Ds9 only got technical nominations. City on the Edge of Forever also got the Writer's Guild award for the best dramatic script that year and for TNG Stewart got a SGA nomination and Measure of a Man got a writer's guild nomination.
 
trekfan_1 said:
Curious. Would you add half a point to Voyager? And LD? I don't get the same feeling of uproar from the PC police especially Voyager.
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There was no "woke" controversy around Voyager in the 90's because people were way more chill. Same deal with Ds9. If a Trek show came on today where the two main characters were a black captain and a tough female soldier with a somewhat butch haircut you'd have all these guys online going "OMGEE WHEN DID STAR TRACK GET SO WOKEEEE"
 
trekfan_1 said:
Maybe I'm misunderstanding what review bombing is ?? . I thought it's when you use multiple accounts and go on a mission to slander something. Alot of people felt that Discovery went against their view of Star Trek. That's why I see many of those " I joined to review just to show my displeasure of something." Kinda reviews. Is that review bombing?
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Yes. That's what review bombing is. There's also another factor.

People having extreme opinions where everything's either a 1 or 10, with no room for anything in-between and no nuance whatsoever. In this case, Discovery would've also taken it heavily from the extreme "it's the worst ever!!!!!!" crowd.

I can never take seriously anyone who gives nothing but 1s or nothing but 10s.
 
trekfan_1 said:
Curious. Would you add half a point to Voyager? And LD? I don't get the same feeling of uproar from the PC police especially Voyager.
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I would add half a point to VOY. Though I would also place DS9 slightly higher than where it is on IMDB. What @TheAdmiralty is saying is correct, people were more chill in the '90s. But I've also been online since 1996 and I remember Janeway getting less slack than Kirk, Picard, or Sisko. It was there. Just not as obvious as it would be today. A lot of it was probably subconscious as well.

LD is immune because the type of people I'm talking about would think of Boimler as the main character. They'd think of him as their guy. Even though Boimler wouldn't like any of them because of their viewpoints.
 
trekfan_1 said:
True but I think that's a vocal minority . The same people screaming on social media and complaining about the new Dr Who or anything they see as overtly "progessive". .

I'm not saying it's necessarily true for Discovery( opinions will vary) , but it is possible for something to be unfairly labeled as "woke" and also be subpar. Ghostbusters 2016 for example got unfairly attacked by that segment. Pretty sad. But when I watch the movie, I felt it was a poor film simply as a movie without prejudging It.
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The fact remains Disco was review bombed. And youtubers targeted it constantly with rumors every single season that it was going to be cancelled. They must have been relieved when they got their wish. It never recovered from that bad publicity. I enjoy Discovery, and like others will admit it had its problems. It was all over the place, it had a level of emotion in Season 4 that would have had Tommy Wisau asking them to tone it down, but it had great actors, good scripts and it was fun to watch. It wasn't afraid to take risks. I don't really care where it's at on a ranking.
 
BillJ said:
It is funny to watch that so many people care more about where their "show" is rated vs. whether or not it is good.
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I already decided what I think about these shows a long time ago. It's just interesting to see what other people think. Also, part of why I post here.

Going by the idea of "above a 5 is good" and "below a 5 is bad", it looks like IMDB thinks all of it is good. I don't agree with a lot of the specifics of what they have. Nor did I ever expect to.
 
I'm not surprised at all by the ranking. As an individual, there are a few I would move around, but considering it as a collective ranking, that looks about right to me.
 
Lord Garth said:
Going by the idea of "above a 5 is good" and "below a 5 is bad", it looks like IMDB thinks all of it is good. I don't agree with a lot of the specifics of what they have. Nor did I ever expect to.
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There are actually only two episodes across all of Star Trek that have been rated below a 5 and that's Sub Rosa and Shades of Gray, both from TNG. Despite everything, no Discovery episode ever made it that low, or TAS episode for that matter. Magicks of Megas-tu got closest though!

Out of the movies, only Section 31 fell to those depths, getting a rating of 3.8.

Though the average IMDb rating is 7.0, meaning that 40% of Star Trek is below average. The most perfectly average episodes include TOS: Gamesters of Triskelion, TNG: Galaxy's Child, DS9: Babel, Voy: Learning Curve and Ent: Fight or Flight.
 
If someone is making multiple accounts witha premetated purpose that's one thing. But if someone wants to rate something super low or super high for whatever reason its fair game IMO. But that's me. Just like voting in politics, your reason or logic is not taken into consideration when you vote . Fanatics are allowed to vote/rate something how they want.. To me it's just part of the demographic. I woukd wish more people had tact and logic but thats not how the world works sadly.
 
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trekfan_1 said:
If someone is making multiple accounts that's one thing. But if someone wants to rate something super low or super high for whatever reason is fair gsme IMO. Just like voting in politics, you reason or logic is nit taken into consideration . To me it's just part of the viter demographic. But that's me.
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I don't agree because if they honestly don't like it, they can still give it a 2, 3, or 4. Going with 1 just for the Hell of it strikes me as dishonest. Everyone has their least favorite episode. So maybe some of them really are a 1. But every episode in a season? No. That's foul play. That's someone saying they like the episodes less than they actually do.

Same on the other end, with someone just giving constant 10s. They can always give a 6, 7, 8, or 9, but to just go for 10 all the time strikes me as dishonest. Everyone has their favorite episode. So maybe some of them really are a 10. But every episode in a season? No. That's also foul play. That's someone saying they like the episodes more than they actually do.

When someone's opinion is just "the party line and nothing else!", that's when I stop trusting their opinion. I can disagree with someone and still trust their opinion. Like Jammer. I don't always agree with him, but I trust him to review in good faith. But once I don't trust someone's opinion, that's it. I'm not going to believe anything they say, and I'll be suspicious about what they really mean and what their motives are.

I really don't like the political thing.
 
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Lord Garth said:
I don't agree because if they honestly don't like it, they can still give it a 2, 3, or 4. Going with 1 just for the Hell of it strikes me has dishonest. Everyone has their least favorite episode. So maybe some of them really are a 1. But every episode in a season? No. That's foul play.

Same on the other end, with someone just giving constant 10s. They can always give a 6, 7, 8, or 9, but to just go for 10 all the time strikes me as dishonest. Everyone has their favorite episode. So maybe some of them really are a 10. But every episode in a season? No. That's also foul play.

When someone's opinion is just "the party line and nothing else!", that's when I stop trusting their opinion. I can disagree with someone and still trust their opinion. Like Jammer. I don't always agree with him, but I trust him to review in good faith. But once I don't trust someone's opinion, that's it. I'm not going believe anything they say, and I'll be suspicious about what they really mean and what their motives are.

I really don't like the political thing.
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I get you logic but it's hard to measure how individual people see the numbers. One person's view point of a 1 or 10 can be different. At the end of the day, if you really think about it, how people interact - whether it's online voting ,real life voting or attending a protest , it's
a refection of society's reaction to something. It's a stream of water that is part of the ocean. Now ,I do believe crossing the line would be creating multiple accounts because your going beyond your ( fair or unfair ) vote.

But I get where your coming from and it's a good point.
 
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