"Klingons vs The Federation" = Mundane

[BillJ]

...and TNG's universe was large enough to have 31 episodes featuring the Klingons out of 176 (18%)...

I think this is a bit of a misrepresentation. With Worf, there was a Klingon presence in all 178 episodes (100%). Same with Voyager and Torres, and DS9 with 100 episodes with Worf.

Personally, I'm not thrilled with more Klingons. They've been beaten to death as a species across the modern shows. Maybe Discovery finds a new angle, maybe not. We won't know until the show airs. Though the whole sensor-ridge thing just screams of Vulcan nasal numbing all over again.

 

[Jackson_Roykirk]

I think this is a bit of a misrepresentation. With Worf, there was a Klingon presence in all 178 episodes (100%). Same with Voyager and Torres, and DS9 with 100 episodes with Worf.

Personally, I'm not thrilled with more Klingons. They've been beaten to death as a species across the modern shows. Maybe Discovery finds a new angle, maybe not. We won't know until the show airs. Though the whole sensor-ridge thing just screams of Vulcan nasal numbing all over again.

You are correct. There were Worf episodes that concentrated on his "Klingon-ness" that I did not count, but should have.

However, it would not be 100% -- just like 100% of TOS episodes did not feature "The Vulcans", just because Spock was Vulcan. Nor were 100% of TNG episodes about "The Betazoids". I doubt anyone would say that 100% of DSC episodes that include the character of Saru will be episodes about Kelpians.

 

[BillJ]

You are correct. There were Worf episodes that concentrated of his "Klingon-ness" that I did not count, but should have.

But there were a ton of episodes that had nothing to do with Worf that still gave us Klingon bits. Like "Where No One Has Gone Before", where we learn what a "targ" is. Or the "this is sex" bit from "Hide and Q".

My opinion is that Klingons were incredibly overused in the modern shows, to the point they were a crutch. Heck, even Enterprise kicked off with the Klingons in "Broken Bow".

It doesn't mean Discovery will be a bad show. It just means that right now, as an outsider looking in, I have concerns about going to the Klingon well again.

 

[Jedi_Master]

The Klingons have been "over-used" because they are a useful contrast to the primary thoughtline of the Trek series "Humans have overcome."
Klingons have not overcome, they are essentially the same - violent, scheming, dangerous, unpredictable. Although they have been neutered a bit by the Berman era Trek, they came roaring back in nuTrek, and now can be re-used as an interesting antagonist.

 

[BillJ]

The Klingons have been "over-used" because they are a useful contrast to the primary thoughtline of the Trek series "Humans have overcome."

You can show humans overcoming in other ways.

For me, a show about the internal breakdown of the Federation would be much more interesting and analogous to the modern world we live in. Where we are turning on one another than going to the Klingon well again. YMMV.

 

[Jedi_Master]

You can show humans overcoming in other ways.

For me, a show about the internal breakdown of the Federation would be much more interesting and analogous to the modern world we live in. Where we are turning on one another than going to the Klingon well again. YMMV.

We might just get that kind of show, but I doubt it...There have been very few stories about the Fed Train going off the tracks, and those usually focus on the actions of some secret, and small, cabal of officers/bad guys.

 

[Nyotarules]

I like the idea of one of the BIG 4 threatening to leave the Federation, be it Andor or Tellar. Echoes of Brexit.

 

[Jackson_Roykirk]

But there were a ton of episodes that had nothing to do with Worf that still gave us Klingon bits. Like "Where No One Has Gone Before", where we learn what a "targ" is. Or the "this is sex" bit from "Hide and Q".

True. But the same could be said for episodes throughout the franchise that keyed on particular bits of humanity. There were many such episodes, especially the ones where Spock, Data, or Seven made specific mentions of those bits of human traits.

 

[Jedi_Master]

I like the idea of one of the BIG 4 threatening to leave the Federation, be it Andor or Tellar. Echoes of Brexit.

They did that in the novels. It wasn't as exciting as it seems.

 

[Mudd]

As long as I'm entertained, I could care less what the show is about.

Plot is bullshit. All that matters are the people on the screen. We have no relevant information on that topic to judge Disco's success.

Yep.

Would love if the Four-Year War is going on in the background. I expect the tone of the war stories to be a lot like "In Pale Moonlight".
Happy to be surprised, though.

There is no "Four-Year War" in Trek continuity. Never has been.

They can, of course, invent any war or conflict they like. This is a new version; they're changing things.

More like Progressive Klingons vs Alt Right Klingons with Federation Caught In Middle, Pick A Side. We know who is gonna win this one, Hollywood writers being Hollywood writers. No real surprise there. That's mundane.

LIke when people fight Nazis in the movies - we pretty much know who's gonna win that one, too. "Hollywood writers being Hollywood writers" and all. .

 

[Jedi_Master]

I still think the Klingons are useful antagonists, especially as it seems that DSC will feature some Cro-Magnon version of the Klingons, so there will be a chance to have a new take on an old enemy.

 

[Jackson_Roykirk]

Still happy to see Hitler get wasted on camera in two films thus far.

Ha ha! Since you mentioned Hitler, I think the funniest line in the "Hitler Reacts to the Star Trek Discovery Trailer" YouTube video (a video that was inevitable, and I expect additional versions) is this:

Hitler:
"This show is not Star Trek.
And what IS Star Trek?
It's all of the previous shows...
...And the Prelude to Axanar film."

That's a typical reaction (including the Axanar thing) from too much of the fanbase.

 

[fireproof78]

LIke when people fight Nazis in the movies - we pretty much know who's gonna win that one, too. "Hollywood writers being Hollywood writers" and all. .

You know, I never watch a WW2 movie ever again, since I know Indiana Jones beats them all anyway

 

[Noname Given]

LIke when people fight Nazis in the movies - we pretty much know who's gonna win that one, too. "Hollywood writers being Hollywood writers" and all. .

^^^
IDK - I've always thought 1977's "A Bridge Too Far" was a WWII movie that really didn't show the Allies 'winning' (Yes, if you know history, you know how the war in Europe ultimately turned out) - but I wouldn't call what they showed in that film 'a win'.

 

[Vger23]

 

[Vger23]

Personally, I'm not thrilled with more Klingons. They've been beaten to death as a species across the modern shows. Maybe Discovery finds a new angle, maybe not. We won't know until the show airs. Though the whole sensor-ridge thing just screams of Vulcan nasal numbing all over again.

I have to say, this is one of my concerns as well. I do wish they'd just have done something different. "The Klingons" seems to be a very obvious and easy avenue to create a show around.

It's interesting though. I can start to see why this period (and the Klingons in particular) might be exciting. There's actually some lines in Whom Gods Destroy that indicate that even in Kirk's time, there was considerable conflict. Garth says something complimenting Kirk on his military / warrior background and Kirk says something back like "I'm more of an explorer now" which would seem to indicate that at some point in Kirk's recent past, he'd been more of a military man involved directly in combat.

It will be fascinating to see how it all works out.

I'd say, despite my initial personal wishes that it not be GoT in space...and not be about "war" and "Klingons"...it still has my interest and I'm still (despite all that not working out for me) looking forward to it with great anticipation.

 

[Jedi_Master]

If it turns out to be Game of Thrones in space, I'm out. I think the chances of that being the case are fairly remote.

 

[Noname Given]

If it turns out to be Game of Thrones in space, I'm out. I think the chances of that being the case are fairly remote.

Yeah, they might get sued by the estate of Anne McCaffrey if space Dragons show up...

 

[Spider]

If they have space dragons and hot blonds riding them, I'll get TWO subscriptions to CBSAA.

 

[Ithekro]

Looks more like a Centauri to me.