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Klingon change for season 2?

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I don't know. I mean I got the impression that the 24 other Bald Klingons, who answered the call, were either leaders of their respective Houses or sat on the High Council. Kol certainly wasn't much of a believer. I think DISCO messed up by not just having different Klingons throughout the season, as well. I think that would've helped illustrate that the bald look and the different aesthetics for DISCO Klingons belonged to House T'Kuvma, or a particular segment of Klingon society, but were not the now standard look of the Klingons that superseded what had been established before.
 
But the thing is, 24 Klingons didn't answer the call. Exactly 24 ships arrived, and Burnham jumped to conclusions - but only a tiny handful of baldheaded House leaders then actually holo'ed T'Kumva to ask "What do you want?".

So we are at liberty to think that only the True Believers (including those who found political advantage in Believing, even if they didn't believe much) would have responded, while 18-19 Houses sat it out so that they could concentrate on combing their thick hair.

Timo Saloniemi
 
There were no Klingons in the high council chambers with hair, there were no Klingons at the Orion embassy with hair, even the followers of Molor were bald.

Kol who appeared to be completely against what T’Kuvma stood for, was bald.

Plus they are already going contridictong that explanation for season 2, so why are we arguing this point?
 
But the thing is, 24 Klingons didn't answer the call. Exactly 24 ships arrived, and Burnham jumped to conclusions - but only a tiny handful of baldheaded House leaders then actually holo'ed T'Kumva to ask "What do you want?".

So we are at liberty to think that only the True Believers (including those who found political advantage in Believing, even if they didn't believe much) would have responded, while 18-19 Houses sat it out so that they could concentrate on combing their thick hair.

Timo Saloniemi

Fair point. I was assuming that a Great House representative was on each of the 24 ships, but we did only see a handful of the Bald Klingons in holograms, so that's a good point to make. Though as I think you had mentioned previously, the Qo'noS visit does make the theory problematic. I wish that at least on Qo'noS that had had other Klingons to bolster your theory.
 
Plus every Klingon in season 1 is bald even ones outside of T’Kuvma’s group, so that 2017 explanation doesn’t hold any weight

Suspension of disbelief? I mean, there could be other reasons (personal expression, natural hair loss, etc.).

How do you know it’s meant to be hair? It could just be part of the design not part of the figure. It could be depicting a robe or other clothing as well.

Doesn't really look like it.

Look, I'm sure there's much more point in arguing over stuff. DSC has decided that Klingons are not naturally bald. Whether every single S1 Klingon character's bald design makes sense with the ideas and "facts" we get may vary case by case, but it's not the first time we've had mistakes like these (like the pair of Starfleet officers who give Cap. Kirk a hard time in "Court Martial" [TOS] wearing the Enterprise's arrowhead patch despite being from a different ship in a timeframe when each ship had its unique insignia).
 
like the pair of Starfleet officers who give Cap. Kirk a hard time in "Court Martial" [TOS] wearing the Enterprise's arrowhead patch despite being from a different ship in a timeframe when each ship had its unique insignia
Actually, other ships having their own patches was the mistake, but it just stuck.

The revelation didn’t come out until decades later after it became part of the “lore”.
 
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There were no Klingons in the high council chambers with hair

And the same rationalization applies: those with hair would have had nothing to do with the bald freaks politically or religiously. Which is why there weren't 24 bald Klingons in the Council Chambers, either.

Indeed, we already have to accept that 24 Great Houses get represented by a maximum of eight extras plus possible central characters on most occasions. Nothing unusual about a handful answering to the summons made by one of them baldies on a silly and trivial issue such as managing the anti-Fed war or discussing a bomb in the basement...

Kol who appeared to be completely against what T’Kuvma stood for, was bald.

Hmm. Both stood for a crusade against the Federation in the end. It's just that T'Kumva had this Klingon unity agenda that Kol found distasteful - but both felt the Light of Kahless stood for something specific. Other Klingons have other interpretations of the Light of Kahless, it seems, less or more literal ones - see "Rightful Heir" and the whole Boreth thing.

Plus they are already going contridictong that explanation for season 2, so why are we arguing this point?

We haven't see any contradiction, nor an explanation. We merely know of the issue. And the argument here is about whether the issue is an issue in the first place.

Timo Saloniemi
 
There were no Klingons in the high council chambers with hair, there were no Klingons at the Orion embassy with hair, even the followers of Molor were bald.

Kol who appeared to be completely against what T’Kuvma stood for, was bald.

Plus they are already going contridictong that explanation for season 2, so why are we arguing this point?
I too am confused as to why you're approaching this discussion as an argument, considering that what I initially posted was meant in support of what you yourself were saying upthread to begin with...:confused:

From what has been said by Glenn Hetrick and Mary Chieffo, it really doesn't sound to me like what they're going with for Season Two contradicts what Sullivan suggested earlier so much as expands and expounds upon it. It's all tied to the legend of Kahless cutting off his hair in preparation to fight Molor (the exact purpose of which—forging the first bat'leth—seems to be a specific piece of the story known only to a select few by the time of "Rightful Heir") and the emulation of that act.

Sullivan never said this practice was exclusive to T'Kuvma's house alone, and as you and others quite rightly point out, such an interpretation of what he did say would not match what we see onscreen in Season One. Indeed, at the very least, T'Kuvma would seem to have been gaining influence within the Empire for some time prior to the Battle at the Binary Stars (thus making it possible for that event to serve as the ultimate clincher to his long-striven-for goal of Klingon unification, such as it be). Kol was clearly resentful of that influence, and eager to "put [T'Kuvma] back in [his] place." Having had to kowtow to such "puritan ways" in the face of their increasing popularity would no doubt only have added fuel to such resentment. Moreover, Kol was positioning himself to supplant T'Kuvma as leader of his movement, and co-opt it to his own advantage. Putting on the appearance of walking the walk would provide good cover for his lack of conviction with respect to the talk being talked, no?

But in any case, T'Kuvma himself wouldn't have been the instigator of this particular practice at all, even if he might have been a contributor to its propagation, because his childhood bullies were seen to be bald as well.

As for the followers of Molor, what would be so odd about them adopting a tactic that supposedly enabled the tyrant's nemesis to defeat him in the first place? It certainly wouldn't be out of character for Klingons to revere a superior opponent. But on the other hand, for all we know, it's also possible that by day these folks masquerade as dutiful and upstanding devotees of Kahless, with the dim and shadowy (and extraterritorial?) corners of the Orion enclave being one of few places they'd feel at liberty to display their infidel rituals openly.

In short, maybe a lot of things. We'll see what more (or little) is offered up on the subject in a couple of months. There will no doubt always be at least a few unexplored threads left dangling that we'll have to come up with our own speculative explanations for, if we aren't content to simply overlook them, just as ever. No big deal (or surprise) there.

Again, I echo your sentiment: why are "we" arguing here, exactly?

-MMoM:D
 
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We haven't see any contradiction, nor an explanation. We merely know of the issue. And the argument here is about whether the issue is an issue in the first place.

We haven’t been given an onscreen explanation, but we’ve been given a new reason why they’re bald from people who work on the show last month back. They shaved their heads because of the war.
 
And it remains to be seen whether this will be told or even supported in the aired material. But the issue of a temporary bout of baldness is there regardless of this, while it being a contradiction is something to be argued for and against.

Shaving for war is a bit odd for Klingons both if there is war and if there isn't. In DSC, we see this supposed shaving just before a war. But people who don't want to have that specific war have also shaved. Is this because they are having some other war? Having several every week would be a very Klingon thing indeed. But then how could they ever grow hair again? Why would Klingons in S2 be at peace?

Then again, if shaving for war is strongly associated with the folks that forced the war with the UFP, it would be easy to see it going rapidly out of fashion - much like the shaved heads that contributed to WWI in Germany became distasteful overnight when that war was disgracefully lost. Many would be in a hurry to regrow hair. And many would no doubt resort to artificial aids, explaining how L'Rell has extremely long hair within a few months already, whereas long-imprisoned Klingons in other Trek haven't had to struggle with disentangling their toes from their hair.

Timo Saloniemi
 
But what I'm saying here is that plenty of Klingons were bald in the twin pilot already, and were opposed to the idea of fighting the Feds, thus suggesting they had shaved for some other war. And once we accept "another war", it becomes implausible that there would ever be peace in the Empire, least of all under L'Rell's reign. Such a state would by the "another war" token be so unnatural to Klingons that returning to long hair along with the silly hairess to the throne would be the very last thing to occur to them.

Timo Saloniuemi
 
Then again, if shaving for war is strongly associated with the folks that forced the war with the UFP, it would be easy to see it going rapidly out of fashion - much like the shaved heads that contributed to WWI in Germany became distasteful overnight when that war was disgracefully lost. Many would be in a hurry to regrow hair. And many would no doubt resort to artificial aids, explaining how L'Rell has extremely long hair within a few months already, whereas long-imprisoned Klingons in other Trek haven't had to struggle with disentangling their toes from their hair.
I am wondering if it might depend on the war itself. So, not just any war is a reason to shave one's head but specific threats to the Empire, or to particular groups, or even as a standard set by 24 Houses.
 
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