Klingon change for season 2?

[.:: TSN ::.]

Yeah, steps in the middle of the bridge floor - while they look absolutely cinematic - are probably pretty dangerous on a real life command center.

No, what I actually meant was the texture of the floor. It doesn't have to be glass like on the Vengeance (probably can get pretty slippery), but I think having some kind of texture (it can even be a carpet) is vastly better than the flat studio floor that the Discovery bridge has.

It's not a completely flat floor. It has tiles. But the bottom picture shows how unforgiving the surface is to dirt and other smudges. They should have specialized roomba's washing the floor all the time.

 

[Rahul]

It's not a completely flat floor. It has tiles. But the bottom picture shows how unforgiving the surface is to dirt and other smudges. They should have specialized roomba's washing the floor all the time.

Haha, that's really awkward!
Yeah, I'm really not a fan of these floor tiles, especially on such large, flat surfaces. It makes it look like the studio set it is.

 

[fireproof78]

It's not a completely flat floor. It has tiles. But the bottom picture shows how unforgiving the surface is to dirt and other smudges. They should have specialized roomba's washing the floor all the time.

Easier to maintain than all the beige carpet. I like the smoothness of the floor. Looks very sleek and fun.

 

[Cyrus]

Honestly I would have preferred a break from Klingons for season 2. The Enterprise and red angel storyline seems very interesting on its own, no need to have any Klingons at all. But I guess that was not realistic as one of the main characters (Tyler) is a Klingon.

 

[Noname Given]

Haha, that's really awkward!
Yeah, I'm really not a fan of these floor tiles, especially on such large, flat surfaces. It makes it look like the studio set it is.

And TNG style 'military carpet' is better? (TOS had no carpeted Bridges during the TV run.)

 

[fireproof78]

And TNG style 'military carpet' is better? (TOS had no carpeted Bridges during the TV run.)

What makes carpet "military grade?"

 

[Longinus]

And TNG style 'military carpet' is better? (TOS had no carpeted Bridges during the TV run.)

It can't be 'a military carpet' because, as we all know, Starfleet isn't a military!

 

[Michael]

(TOS had no carpeted Bridges during the TV run.)

(Oh, yes they did. )

 

[XCV330]

Starfleet Carpet is a peacekeeping and humanitarian low pile weave that resists stains, transporter accidents and incursions.

 

[Rahul]

And TNG style 'military carpet' is better? (TOS had no carpeted Bridges during the TV run.)

Honestly? Yeah. Absolutely. Maybe more like the movie era, or ENT, or VOY. Or on DS9. Or the Defiant.

But it looks visually vastly superiour than what's on Discovery:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/102537907@N03/23519667989
https://www.flickr.com/photos/102537907@N03/28641678023

 

[Burning Hearts of Qo'nos]

It does add some personality, for sure. Also, I never realized how many freaking steps there are on the E-E bridge. So many tripping hazards.

 

[fireproof78]

It can't be 'a military carpet' because, as we all know, Starfleet isn't a military!

Doesn't mean they can't use military equipment. I mean, I use MREs for emergency supplies. Doesn't make me military

Honestly? Yeah. Absolutely. Maybe more like the movie era, or ENT, or VOY. Or on DS9. Or the Defiant.

But it looks visually vastly superiour than what's on Discovery:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/102537907@N03/23519667989
https://www.flickr.com/photos/102537907@N03/28641678023

Discovery just reminds me of the ENT-E. The beige of the ENT-D is extremely off putting.

 

[STRenegade]

This is one of those take with a grain of salt things:

 

[Tuskin38]

That bird of prey looking one on the middle left looks like the unused design for 'Into Darkness'

https://www.pierre-drolet-sci-fi-museum.com/klingon-bird-of-prey-bop

All the other images tweeted today are Kelvin Timeline stuff, so I don't think it's related to Discovery.

It appears to have been marketing for this game, it has those designs
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.digprm.prime&hl=en_US

 

[The Mighty Monkey of Mim]

As was mention in an earlier post Humans and Klingons do have kids together...

...but only by virtue of medical intervention, per "The Emissary" (TNG):

TROI: I didn't know it was possible for a human and a Klingon to produce a child.
K'EHLEYR: Actually, the DNA is compatible, with a fair amount of help.​

Note that the two instances of natural conceptions we saw (Alexander and Miral) were from pairings where one parent was already a half-human/half-Klingon hybrid.

Can I ask a question while trying to keep in check my sarcastic tendencies? Is Klingon hair that big of a deal? I mean, we've had shaved head Klingons before so I'm struggling with why the lack of hair was the tipping point?

Acting concerns aside, as I can see that, even if I don't see it as a problem, this hair thing is a major sticking point that is baffling to me.

The issue with the purported notion of them being naturally and universally hairless—which was always a misunderstanding on the part of some reporters with respect to what the makeup designers said about positing an "evolutionary imperative" behind the new design (they were talking about the purpose of the ridges, not the baldness)—is that it would have been the one and only aspect of the redesign that would have actually affected previous stories. In "Schisms" (TNG), Worf visits the ship's barber, who revels in how thick and luxuriant and pleasurable to cut Klingon hair is; in "The Quality Of Life" (TNG), Worf speaks of beards being a symbol of courage to Klingons; in "Rightful Heir" (TNG), the myth of Kahless making the first bat'leth from a lock of his hair is of significance; and in Insurrection, accelerated hair growth is a symptom of Klingon puberty. So that's why it would have been a sticking point if they were inherently hairless without explanation.

They’re not backpedaling, they’ve been saying before Season 1 even aired that they have hair.

Have they? You keep saying that, but I don't remember seeing the quote.

Source, please.

And I asked you to provide a citation for them saying that before or even during the first season.

and I can't find one.

Here you go:

"This is a group of Klingons who've gone back to a puritan way of life. They look very different: they wear armour that's 200 years old and they don't have any hair. Their commander runs his Klingon house—the house of T'Kuvma—by the rules of Kahless, the Klingon messiah."

-Ted Sullivan, SFX #292, 13 September 2017
​

Note also that Rejac's sarcophagus depicts hair, onscreen, in the very first episode:

-MMoM

 

[Dukhat]

.Here you go:

"This is a group of Klingons who've gone back to a puritan way of life. They look very different: they wear armour that's 200 years old and they don't have any hair. Their commander runs his Klingon house—the house of T'Kuvma—by the rules of Kahless, the Klingon messiah."

-Ted Sullivan, SFX #292, 13 September 2017​

Except none of that exposition made it into any dialogue in the show. No one said the Klingons were puritans who wore 200 year old armor and shaved their heads. So unless someone mentions that in season 2, it's not canon.​

 

[fireproof78]

So that's why it would have been be a sticking point if they were inherently hairless without explanation.

And yet none of that made it in to the show which means it is a point of contention for no other purpose than to be contentious. The reasons behind bald Klingons are noncanonical and have no bearing on their presentation in the show. Further more, as human culture demonstrates, values around hair can vary from culture, and even within subcultures.

 

[Tuskin38]

Plus every Klingon in season 1 is bald even ones outside of T’Kuvma’s group, so that 2017 explanation doesn’t hold any weight

Note also that Rejac's sarcophagus depicts hair, onscreen, in the very first episode:

How do you know it’s meant to be hair? It could just be part of the design not part of the figure. It could be depicting a robe or other clothing as well.

 

[The Mighty Monkey of Mim]

Guys, I was just providing the requested citation for a production source stating that the depicted baldness of the Klingons in DSC was indeed a feature of their culture rather than natural evolution, from before even the first episode had ever aired. I wasn't suggesting that what Sullivan said is canon. Whatever is said/shown regarding the matter in the course of the upcoming second season is what will be canon. The point here is, if there was ever any notion behind the scenes that Klingons were naturally hairless—which is itself doubtful, because even Fuller (who departed during the pre-production phase) was quoted as saying the changes he instigated with respect to the Klingons revolved around his vision of them as "self-ware estheticians"—then it was one being "backpedaled" from as early on as that SFX interview, and however the issue is to be handled from here on out represents a pedaling forward from that standpoint.

(And I for one have expected some such development all along, because I always figured there was no way they'd have picked up on threads from past canon so obscure as Klingons having practiced mummification, yet at the same time overlook multiple more prominent and plot-related references to specific properties and significances of Klingon hair.)

How do you know it’s meant to be hair? It could just be part of the design not part of the figure. It could be depicting a robe or other clothing as well.

What reason is there to think it isn't meant to be hair?

-MMoM

 

[Timo]

As for everybody in S1, even outside T'Kumva's cult, being hairless...

...Why should we think we see anybody from outside T'Kumva's cult? The people responding to the call of the Light of Kahless could well all be religious fanatics to begin with, by the very definition of them responding; those with hair would scoff and turn back to their beers. And Kol subsequently takes everything that was T'Kumva's; he sure wouldn't want to drop, to no particular gain, the act of being one of the True now that he has multiplied the size of his army by adopting these fanatics. Heck, he might extend the silliness of the cult rules to his previous followers and other, newer allies, for obvious reasons of conformity and these-stupid-rule-following-fanatics-die-better-for-you. In short, from the Klingon point of view, this is the Baldheads' War; those not indulging need not be seen.

Basically, then, the only place where 100% bald Klingons would not fit is the Oriontown. And even that location is entitled to its share of fanatics, especially if the Cult of Molor is in any way related to what T'Kumva was riding on. Plus, the place might currently be dominated by the most victorious Klingon faction of the day, that is, the fanatics.

See? It's that easy. The problem is real, as MMoM outlined. The solution is trivial, and need not be particularly explicit, and certainly need not be canonical. Just the assumption of it existing suffices.

Timo Saloniemi