Klingon change for season 2?

[Grendelsbayne]

Source, please.



And that doesn’t negate the fact that not a single person ever mentioned that the Klingons shaved their heads.

Jesus Christ, people. They fucked up, and they’d rather spout some bullshit instead of admitting it. Accept the fact the the people at CBS are a bunch of liars. Or not; I don’t really care.

I never said it did. I don't care what anyone believes about Klingon hair. I'd just rather people not throw out bs arguments that are completely innaccurate as 'proof' of their position. Klingons did not disappear for a hundred years and suddenly show up hairless with no one noticing.

 

[Dukhat]

Klingons did not disappear for a hundred years and suddenly show up hairless with no one noticing.

But that's exactly what happened.

 

[Grendelsbayne]

But that's exactly what happened.

No it isn't.

 

[Longinus]

No it isn't.

We must have been watching a different show then.

 

[fireproof78]

Which fandom is that??? I'll have to check it out!

It sounds nice.

No it isn't.

Exactly. T'Kumva and Spock both reference the battle of Donatu V in DISCO and TOS respectively. The battle was inconclusive, and had occurred 25 years (ish) before Trouble with Tribbles. So, Starfleet has had contact at least once with the Klingons within 15 years of Disco, prior to the Battle of Binary Stars.

 

[Tuskin38]

Yeah...except for the fact that people lie on the internet all the time. I see nothing in that post that shows actual proof that they envisioned the Klingons had shaven heads from the start. Just some guy toting a line.

But whatever. In the big scheme of things, I could care less if they’re BSing or not. If the show is good they can lie all they want.

They're not lying at all, stop it.

We must have been watching a different show then.

They said right in the show there was contact in those 100 years, it was just rare.

 

[LJones41]

They should have stuck with their Season 1 vision of the Klingons. It didn't take me very long to get over the new design (less than one episode, actually). Did the fans went into a tail spin over the differences between the TOS Klingons and those from the late 23rd to 24th centuries Klingons?

 

[Tuskin38]

Did the fans went into a tail spin over the differences between the TOS Klingons and those from the late 23rd to 24th centuries Klingons?

According to some of the users on here who lived through it, yes they did.

 

[fireproof78]

They should have stuck with their Season 1 vision of the Klingons. It didn't take me very long to get over the new design (less than one episode, actually). Did the fans went into a tail spin over the differences between the TOS Klingons and those from the late 23rd to 24th centuries Klingons?

The fact that we are asking the question at all means than the 24th century Klingons are pretty readily accepted.

Seems to me that the change isn't as terrible as it is made out to be at times.

 

[Dukhat]

They're not lying at all, stop it.

This isn’t your personal bbs, so don’t tell me to stop anything.

They said right in the show there was contact in those 100 years, it was just rare.

Contact doesn’t necessarily mean face-to-face contact.

 

[Tuskin38]

Contact doesn’t necessarily mean face-to-face contact.

The evidence doesn't say either way.

 

[Grendelsbayne]

We must have been watching a different show then.

It sounds nice.


Exactly. T'Kumva and Spock both reference the battle of Donatu V in DISCO and TOS respectively. The battle was inconclusive, and had occurred 25 years (ish) before Trouble with Tribbles. So, Starfleet has had contact at least once with the Klingons within 15 years of Disco, prior to the Battle of Binary Stars.

They're not lying at all, stop it.



They said right in the show there was contact in those 100 years, it was just rare.

This isn’t your personal bbs, so don’t tell me to stop anything.



Contact doesn’t necessarily mean face-to-face contact.

The evidence doesn't say either way.

1) T'Kuvma referred to the battle of Donatu V
2) Michael Burnham herself was the victim of a Klingon attack. Her description makes it clear these attacks happened *in person*, not from orbit. And while she was hiding where she couldn't see them, It's highly unlikely she was the only survivor (and strongly implied by the vulcan computer that she wasn't). Also, the fact that the vulcan computer called Doctari Alpha 'the most recent Klingon terror raid' makes it clear they did this more often. Often enough that there is a standard nomenclature for them.
3) Georgiou says 'Almost no one has seen a Klingon for a 100 years'. The clear and indisputable meaning of that sentence is that *someone* has seen a Klingon in the past 100 years. It's rare, but it did happen, and since Georgiou knows it happened, (some of) that/those person(s) did survive to pass on descriptions of whatever they saw.

There is no logical argument to be made whatsoever that the Klingons 'disappeared' for 100 years. They simply refused to talk to federation ships while they were attacking people.

Also, as for everyone 'ignoring' that the Klingons are hairless - aside from the fact that we've no idea how long the Klingons exactly were doing this, so it could match exactly what the Federation expected to see based on previous reports from terror raid survivors - the first two episodes take place in a handful of hours while trying to survive a desperate situation. There was no time in them for people to stop and go 'I wonder why their heads are shaved'. The third episode jumps ahead by several months. By that time any change in the Klingon appearance (if there even was one) was already old news.

There is no proof or even circumstantial evidence that anyone was just ignoring an 'obvious' change in the Klingons' appearance.

 

[Rahul]

They should have stuck with their Season 1 vision of the Klingons. It didn't take me very long to get over the new design (less than one episode, actually). Did the fans went into a tail spin over the differences between the TOS Klingons and those from the late 23rd to 24th centuries Klingons?

I'm hella' glad they changed it. Hair is such a tiny detail, that does so much for the Klingon look. I had problems accepting the Klingons for the entire season, and it negatively influenced my enjoyment of it more than it by any proportional means should. Seeing the same make-up with hair though? Yeah, that looks klingon.

Still has a few unnecessary changes (like the slug-gish cheeks on their Andorians, or their way too grim Tellarites), but overall it's pretty obvious who each of them are supposed to be now, and look pretty fine.

If you managed to accept the look of season 1 so fast, I guess you probably won't have a hard time accepting their "revised" look with hair either. But for me personally it really makes a big, positive difference.

 

[Dukhat]

1) T'Kuvma referred to the battle of Donatu V
2) Michael Burnham herself was the victim of a Klingon attack. Her description makes it clear these attacks happened *in person*, not from orbit. And while she was hiding where she couldn't see them, It's highly unlikely she was the only survivor (and strongly implied by the vulcan computer that she wasn't). Also, the fact that the vulcan computer called Doctari Alpha 'the most recent Klingon terror raid' makes it clear they did this more often. Often enough that there is a standard nomenclature for them.
3) Georgiou says 'Almost no one has seen a Klingon for a 100 years'. The clear and indisputable meaning of that sentence is that *someone* has seen a Klingon in the past 100 years. It's rare, but it did happen, and since Georgiou knows it happened, (some of) that/those person(s) did survive to pass on descriptions of whatever they saw.

There is no logical argument to be made whatsoever that the Klingons 'disappeared' for 100 years. They simply refused to talk to federation ships while they were attacking people.

Also, as for everyone 'ignoring' that the Klingons are hairless - aside from the fact that we've no idea how long the Klingons exactly were doing this, so it could match exactly what the Federation expected to see based on previous reports from terror raid survivors - the first two episodes take place in a handful of hours while trying to survive a desperate situation. There was no time in them for people to stop and go 'I wonder why their heads are shaved'. The third episode jumps ahead by several months. By that time any change in the Klingon appearance (if there even was one) was already old news.

There is no proof or even circumstantial evidence that anyone was just ignoring an 'obvious' change in the Klingons' appearance.

What you're not quite getting is that it doesn't matter what the in-universe reason is. The fact is that the first season of DSC showed bald, highly alien-like Klingons in clothing they've never been seen in before, flying around in ships whose designs look nothing like what we've seen before, and the producers of the show gave zero reason to the viewing audience as to why everything looks so different, other than the 'visual reboot' nonsense. But now they're saying, "oh, yeah, they just looked like that 'cause they shaved their heads for some reason we're pulling out of our ass, and now you'll all see hairy Klingons and K'T'Ingas and Bat'leth's and everything else just like normal! And, oh yeah, uh, we planned it all this way from the beginning! Yeah, we know what we're doing! Trust us!"

Yeah...no.

 

[DaveyNY]

What you're not quite getting is that it doesn't matter what the in-universe reason is. The fact is that the first season of DSC showed bald, highly alien-like Klingons in clothing they've never been seen in before, flying around in ships whose designs look nothing like what we've seen before, and the producers of the show gave zero reason to the viewing audience as to why everything looks so different, other than the 'visual reboot' nonsense. But now they're saying, "oh, yeah, they just looked like that 'cause they shaved their heads for some reason we're pulling out of our ass, and now you'll all see hairy Klingons and K'T'Ingas and Bat'leth's and everything else just like normal! And, oh yeah, uh, we planned it all this way from the beginning! Yeah, we know what we're doing! Trust us!"

Yeah...no.

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What the heck difference does it make in the grand scheme of things.

This is Star Trek, Hell, things change from one episode/movie to the next, never mind between seasons.

I really can't see why anyone would get their knickers in a twit over something so trivial.

The Klingon "Look" changed ... AGAIN ... and the producers (once again) threw out a 'reasons' ...
whoop-dee-do.


I just want January 17th to be here ASAP.

 

[fireproof78]

The production team changed and so did the design language. Good grief...it's like there is a desire to find reasons to hate CBS...

The Klingon "Look" changed ... AGAIN ... whoop-dee-do.

I really wish there was the same hatred and vitriol directed at GR for the TMP look.

 

[Dukhat]

That's what Star Trek fans do. Where have you all been for the last 50 years?

And I actually like DSC. Don't take my 'twitted knickers' as a sign that I have some irrational hate for CBS. I just don't like having my intelligence insulted by them.

 

[fireproof78]

That's what Star Trek fans do. Where have you all been for the last 50 years?

And I actually like DSC. Don't take my 'twitted knickers' as a sign that I have some irrational hate for CBS. I just don't like having my intelligence insulted by them.

I don't think they're trying to do either one. I think it was a production value change and that's it.

 

[DaveyNY]

The production team changed and so did the design language. Good grief...it's like there is a desire to find reasons to hate CBS...


I really wish there was the same hatred and vitriol directed at GR for the TMP look.

Well, I was around back then ... there was some "angst" put out by a few, but it pretty much died down once the movie came out and folks moved on to "other' things to harp about.

 

[DaveyNY]

That's what Star Trek fans do. Where have you all been for the last 50 years?

And I actually like DSC. Don't take my 'twitted knickers' as a sign that I have some irrational hate for CBS. I just don't like having my intelligence insulted by them.

Heh...
I've been around since the start, and I didn't get why there were a few who liked to go all "Chuck Norris" back then either.
TV/Movie Producers have been treating their viewing audience like 12 year old's since the early '50's, so it's beyond me at times, why anybody would express annoyance at something meant to be simplistic explanation anyway.