Friends don't let friends say it's been 40 years since TWOK.
Or at the very least wait until June!
Killing off long time characters
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Or at the very least wait until June!
Well they also killed Data and even Picard whose soul is now with Sisko and the Prophets.
Brent Spiner asked for Data to die (he didn't think he'd be able to continue playing the character -- androids aren't supposed to age).
It worked (for a while, at least
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Picard and his brother were reconciling their differences while we know absolutely nothing at all about what kind of relationship Kirk had with his brother.
Maybe, maybe not. It's been established in Trek that minds can be transferred.
But killing off characters just for "impact" is often cheap and lame.
Well, they didn't swap...
Well, Picard had somewhat mended fences in Family, and he also lost his beloved young nephew, and they died on safe ol' Earth not a distant colony with accepted risks, and Kirk had to immediately focus on dealing with the crisis that killed him, and Kirks nephew (among 2 other nephews in beta canon) survived, so he didn't have the whole existential "last of my line" component added...
Brent Spiner asked for Data to die (he didn't think he'd be able to continue playing the character -- androids aren't supposed to age).
It worked (for a while, at least
Did it? They bafflingly added B4 in the same movie.
George Samuel Kirk. He had four grandchildren: three from his son George Jr., and one from his son James.
George Jr. would in fact have been just as important as JTK given the fact that JTK only had one son to carry on the family name compared the three that George Jt. fathered. We know that JTK's son, David, was killed by Klingons in ST:III. With David gone, who is left to carry on the Kirk family line into the future? The children of George Jr.
Having the children of George Jr. appear in episodes of Trek to explain the type of relationship between George Jr and JTK would create several new branches on the Trek Tree Story. Not to mention the Kirk Kid's own storyline.
Keeping characters around just for impact can also lead to cheap and lame stories as well.
Look at the kill off of Chakotay. That had a very big impact on Voyager. What would the impact have been for Voyager if Chakotay had been killed off earlier in the show?
...It did? We're talking about the alternate timeline/never happened/not shown death from the very last episode?
lol no it didn't.
Then we wouldn't have had a completely wooden character that the writers didn't have any idea what to do with?
Better fucking show.
Chakotay died in 2394, following Voyager's return, and Admiral Janeway visits his grave marker in that episode. In the original timeline this future was undone by the future Janeway travelling back in time to Voyager to return it to Earth sooner.
The question is, is the Seven of Nine in Picard from the timeline of Voyager who married Chakotay before his death, or is Seven of Nine from the Future Janeway timeline?
What? Neither. It's prime timeline 7. Alternate futures are irrelevant.
She was the Seven of Nine who was on the ship at the end of the episode of the series finale of VOY. I would think this was blatantly obvious.
Which Seven of Nine is present in Picard? The one who marries Chakotay and passes away before the Voyager returns to Earth or the Seven of Nine who marries Chakotay, survives the return voyage to Earth and then joins Picard?
Neither. It's the 7 of 9 who joined the Fenris Rangers, lost Icheb, then joined Picard.
That doesn't even make any sense. Do you actually read what you type before you post it?
But which one is she?
What happened to 7 of 9 and Chakotay?
By the time of the series finale, "Endgame", The Doctor had managed to remove the implant, allowing Seven to pursue a relationship with Chakotay. The alternative future seen at the start of the episode showed that Seven and Chakotay were eventually married, but she died while Voyager was still travelling home.
The alternate future showed Seven had died while the Voyager was returning home. Did Chakotay survive instead or does Chakotay still die in the alternate future?
If we remove the alternate timeline that shows Seven and Chakotay getting married and then Seven crumpling into the bushes on the way home to Earth, What happens to Seven and Chakotay? I didn't watch very much of Voyager as I was in the USMC at the time. Actually I didn't watch any Voyager until after 1996.
I can guarantee that watching binge watching Voyager, now, would cause my face to stretch in all directions, maybe ten feet or so, collapse on itself only to create a cone like funnel shape in the middle of my face.
Blink,blink...you try being like this for a few minutes.
That's what Voyager did to me.
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Think about this. Think really hard. Now, repeat after me: How could 7 of 9 be in PIC if she died on Voyager while it was returning to Earth?
There is only one alternate future in the Voyager finale, and it’s one that Future/Admiral Janeway erases by altering the timeline. The future where Chakotay and Seven marry, Seven dies before they return home, and then Chakotay dies after returning to Earth, doesn’t come to pass, and has nothing to do with where we end up in Picard.
Seven became a Fenris Ranger, and Chakotay became the Captain of his own ship by 2383, where he is set to appear in upcoming episodes of the first season of Prodigy, and we don’t know any more details beyond that.
Relationships
A few episodes touch on Seven's romantic life, which is limited due to the effect on her emotions of having been part of the Borg. At one point she propositions Harry Kim, but he turns her down. Later on, with the Doctor's assistance, she tries dating other crew unsuccessfully, while later exploring intimate relationships with a hologram of Chakotay. Finally, in "Endgame" she is involved in a romantic relationship with Chakotay which includes at least three dates and a first kiss.
In one alternate timeline they married before her death, and in another she is killed along with the rest of the Voyager crew.
According to how the information above is written, Seven and Chakotay explore a relationship with three dates and a first kiss.
Does the altering of the time line also include their romantic relationship involving three dates and their first kiss or is that relationship prior to the alternate timeline?
