Killing off long time characters
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Their kiss occurred just about directly before the Voyager crew encountered a temporal anomaly that ended up being future Janeway going back in time to help them get home much faster, so it wasn’t erased like their eventual marriage, and deaths.
As a longtime Chakotay hater, I find it hugely amusing that Seven is now gay.
He was that bad.
He was that bad.
Seven may be bisexual, her current flame Raffi is.
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You beat me to it! As a bi individual myself, I’m happy to have Michelle Hurd’s Raffi representing on Trek, and Emperor Georgiou, and I would be happy to see Seven join their ranks as well.
And really, Seven was so new to her feelings, and just totally unfamiliar with her emotions and sexuality when she started her budding relationship with Chakotay, it’s not hard to believe she could have found she was gay over some time.
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Or she was always bi...
You beat me to it! As a bi individual myself, I’m happy to have Michelle Hurd’s Raffi representing on Trek, and Emperor Georgiou, and I would be happy to see Seven join their ranks as well.
And really, Seven was so new to her feelings, and just totally unfamiliar with her emotions and sexuality when she started her budding relationship with Chakotay, it’s not hard to believe she could have found she was gay over some time.
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Watch the show and find out. It's only two episodes.
So there is still some romance between the two? Fascinating.
Yup.Or she was always bi...
Or, it's the future and such things don't matter as much. She was exploring a part of her humanity and discovering her preferences.
Which is about as much comment about a fictional character's sexuality as I want to make.
I think you need to rewatch Endgame, Seven only married Chakotay in the future Admiral Janeway came from.
We have no idea what happened to their relationship after Admiral Janeway changed the timeline, though it seems like they're no longer together.
Or she's Bi.
Why do people keep forgetting Bi people exist?
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Right. Michael Chabon said once in response to a question about it that clearly Seven and Chakotay’s relationship ended sometime before Picard’s era of 2399.
And I agree, bisexuals exist (*raises hand*), and with characters like Raffi Musiker, Emperor Georgiou, and quite possibly Seven, we are beginning to see some bi representation in Trek.
And I do wish so much of the world wasn’t as condescendingly dismissive of bisexuality as it can tend to be, as bi-erasure often goes beyond forgetting we exist, and moves into arguing against our existence. The “you’re just confused,” and “that’s not a real thing,” refrains are more than old and tired at this point, and still too commonplace. Thankfully that thinking isn’t really present for the characters in the world of Star Trek any more.
Regardless of whether Seven is gay or bi, I do think it’s nice to see such a prominent and important member of the Trek family join its growing number of LGBTQ characters.
I don't think it's so much that people forget that bi people exist as it is that people like taking potshots at Chakotay.
Seven must have dumped Chakotay because she didn't want to be second fiddle to Janeway. And considering the ruthless, vengeful, take no prisoners Maquis leader Chakotay was quickly transformed into a subservient yes-man who unwaveringly helps Janeway destroy his only way of getting home once he meets her, Seven would have a point.
Um, yeah, they killed Data back in 2002...Well they also killed Data and even Picard whose soul is now with Sisko and the Prophets.
Re: Seven's sexuality, I actually think that in Star Trek's timeline, humans are likely more sexually fluid or just fully pansexual. Given how racist and xenophobic humans have been historically, the fact that we see human characters engaging in physical and romantic relationship with beings from other planets, gender is likely a nonissue. Mike McMahon recently echoed this sentiment in an interview stating he figured most starfleet officers are probably fluid.
Pansexual and gender fluid being acceptable doesnt mean we all become those things. That's not really how sexual attraction works.
Im talking in general here now and not for 7. I'm all for her character being gay or bi or just raffisexual.
I just read Page 12 of this thread for the first time, and I can't even... What would happen if Chakotay were killed off on VOY? What impact would it have on the series? Tuvok would replace him as First Officer, Janeway/Chakotay scenes would become Janeway/Tuvok scenes (without the "Will they? Won't they?" undercurrent) and Seven wouldn't have had that stupid fling with him in "Endgame". That's it. Seven could do a lot better, so she did. And she's bi. The End.
But I like @Dukhat's take. So that's what I think I'll go with as headcannon.
But I like @Dukhat's take. So that's what I think I'll go with as headcannon.
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Sorry for the double-post, but I just wanted to add something else: Since Seven was assimiliated as a child, it's possible she didn't know she was bi until some time after "Scorpion", she might not have even realized it right away. She didn't even begin to think about relationships until "Someone to Watch Over Me" and that didn't go so well. Then she shut down in that department until the seventh season. I think it's entirely possible she had to find her way to knowing what she is, and I think she didn't have the space for it to happen until after Voyager got home. She was trying to hide she had any interest in anyone even as late as "Human Error", two-thirds of the way into the seventh season.
Chakotay was her first boyfriend ever, and who stays with the very first person they were with? Rhetorical question.
EDITED TO ADD: She was used to being Borg when she was in The Collective. Then on Voyager, though she was no longer part of The Collective, she was still seen as Borg and that's how she saw herself: an independent Borg on this Federation Ship where everyone has their role and going outside those boundaries would disrupt ship's order, real or imagined. When Voyager returned to the Alpha Quadrant, all of that was gone. So she had to "adapt". She had to figure out who she was outside of the Borg and outside of Voyager. And while she was doing that, she had the opportunity to explore who and what she really is, beyond what the Borg told her what she should be and beyond what Voyager said she should be.
Chakotay was her first boyfriend ever, and who stays with the very first person they were with? Rhetorical question.
EDITED TO ADD: She was used to being Borg when she was in The Collective. Then on Voyager, though she was no longer part of The Collective, she was still seen as Borg and that's how she saw herself: an independent Borg on this Federation Ship where everyone has their role and going outside those boundaries would disrupt ship's order, real or imagined. When Voyager returned to the Alpha Quadrant, all of that was gone. So she had to "adapt". She had to figure out who she was outside of the Borg and outside of Voyager. And while she was doing that, she had the opportunity to explore who and what she really is, beyond what the Borg told her what she should be and beyond what Voyager said she should be.
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I had pretty much h the same thought as well. Seven’s identity after being separated from the Collective wasn’t that of a child, but it wasn’t that of a full grown adult either, and she had to learn about all the aspects of her personality, including her sexuality, alongside her socialization. I’m sure she learned all sorts of things about herself in the years after they returned to the Alpha Quadrant and leading to her joining the Fenris Rangers.
Ouch. But, after careful consideration…. I agree.
Maybe that’s what bothered me about his character arc. How quickly he became a lap dog.
