They'll just shift it forward. Fiction can do that.
Khan and the Eugenics War
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Since when?
Cave paintings.
if you can't argue a point, don't say anything.
Or just admit that what you believed to be true, was wrong.
It doesn't hurt and most often, makes one a better person in the long run.
Let's just say I'm old enough to remember when Iron Man's origin involved Tony Stark being captured in Nam by the Viet Cong. And when Captain America was traumatized by Watergate, after being unthawed from the ice in . . . the early 1960s. And the Hulk was created by . . . an outdoor nuclear-bomb test in the New Mexico? You know, the kind we have all the time these days.
Marvel Comics have always operated on a sliding timescale in terms of current events, so that exactly which conflict Tony Stark was injured in keeps being moved forward. Ditto for what wars Nick Fury fought in.
And, of course, to explain why Spider-Man isn't collecting Social Security Payments after being a high school kid in the 1960s.
Tony Stark's origin I think has been re-retconned again to take place during the Siancong War ( https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Siancong_War ), a fictional generic war against a fictional Asian country that Iron Man's origin, Professor Xavier's and Punisher's Korean War and Vietnam War service, and Reed Richards and Ben Grimm's WW2 service have now all been lumped into.Let's just say I'm old enough to remember when Tony Stark's origin involved him being captured in Nam by the Viet Cong. And when Captain America was traumatized by Watergate, after being unthawed from the ice in . . . the early 1960s. And the Hulk was created by . . . an outdoor nuclear-bomb test in the Southwest? You know, the kind we have all the time these days.
Marvel Comics have always operated on a sliding timescale, so that, for example, exactly which conflict Tony Stark was injured in keeps being moved forward.
The real question is how do we retcon your Eugenics Wars books in light of this episode?
What is your point?
I would imagine that the point is continuing to be a 'dick', isn't very conducive to the discussion at hand.
And I resent getting sandbagged by someone I usually respect, but I guess we can't all get what we want.
Heh ... then don't be a richard.
Yep, Captain America was 'on ice for a whole 20 YEARS! (Yes kids, it would be like going into a coma in 2003 and waking up today.) What culture shock...oh, wait...Let's just say I'm old enough to remember when Iron Man's origin involved Tony Stark being captured in Nam by the Viet Cong. And when Captain America was traumatized by Watergate, after being unthawed from the ice in . . . the early 1960s. And the Hulk was created by . . . an outdoor nuclear-bomb test in the New Mexico? You know, the kind we have all the time these days.
Marvel Comics have always operated on a sliding timescale in terms of current events, so that exactly which conflict Tony Stark was injured in keeps being moved forward. Ditto for what wars Nick Fury fought in.
And, of course, to explain why Spider-Man isn't collecting Social Security Payments after being a high school kid in the 1960s.
Oh and my favorite superhero group's origin (the Fantastic Four) would work real well today - I mean we haven't sent anyone into space or successfully landed on the Moon (Reed and Ben were trying to be the first to do BOTH - oh, and they were WWII vets), so how would Reed Richards have ANY idea about Cosmic Rays...oh, wait...
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I now am imagining a Eugenics Wars set of sequel books set in the New Teens. How do the coup, qanon, Fox News, reality television, and rise of a New Russia tie in with the Temporal Cold War and Romulans!
That works for some characters, but there are others where I would argue "updating" their history is both problematic and would undermine their characterization. For example, Magneto being a Holocaust survivor is a fundamental aspect of that character which informs his viewpoint. If and when Marvel Studios gets to the X-Men, I'm curious as to how they'll handle it.Let's just say I'm old enough to remember when Iron Man's origin involved Tony Stark being captured in Nam by the Viet Cong. And when Captain America was traumatized by Watergate, after being unthawed from the ice in . . . the early 1960s. And the Hulk was created by . . . an outdoor nuclear-bomb test in the New Mexico? You know, the kind we have all the time these days.
Marvel Comics have always operated on a sliding timescale in terms of current events, so that exactly which conflict Tony Stark was injured in keeps being moved forward. Ditto for what wars Nick Fury fought in.
And, of course, to explain why Spider-Man isn't collecting Social Security Payments after being a high school kid in the 1960s.
X-men: Animated had him be the victim of a civil war/genocide that was unrelated to the Holocaust.
You could have him be a survivor of the Sokovia Genocides.
Ultimate Magneto was just a piece of crap with no reason to be the jerkass he was.
…okay, so there was mention of it — in the context of saying that it isn’t true anymore! (“Tomorrow and Tomorrow and Tomorrow”)
I was surprised that La'an wasn't the one who "died" and then Wesley Kirk would cry out her name.
"LA'AN!"
"LA'AN!"
Oh, I just thought of a textbook example of a movie series bumping the timeframe up just to modernize things.
The first two Sherlock Holmes movies starring Basil Rathbone and Nigel Bruce were, appropriately, set in Victorian England, complete with Hansom cabs, gaslights, etc. But then Pearl Harbor happened and the setting was shifted to the present-day (i.e. the 1940s) so that Holmes & Watson could do their patriotic duty by fighting Nazi spies and saboteurs. As I recall, this was "explained" by a title card stating that Holmes was a timeless character who could therefore join the war effort in these crucial times.
To be clear, there was no "in-universe" attempt to explain this: no time-travel, suspended animation, or suggestion that these were the descendants of the original, Victorian Holmes and Watson. The whole series was just relocated, kit and kaboodle, from Victorian times to the modern era, complete with Moriarty, Mrs. Hudson, Inspector Lestrade, etc.
And the Rathbone/Bruce movies stayed in the 1940s thereafter.
(Another war-related retcon: The Green Hornet's sidekick, Kato, was Japanese -- until Pear Harbor happened, at which point he became Filipino for the duration. Or so I understand.)
The first two Sherlock Holmes movies starring Basil Rathbone and Nigel Bruce were, appropriately, set in Victorian England, complete with Hansom cabs, gaslights, etc. But then Pearl Harbor happened and the setting was shifted to the present-day (i.e. the 1940s) so that Holmes & Watson could do their patriotic duty by fighting Nazi spies and saboteurs. As I recall, this was "explained" by a title card stating that Holmes was a timeless character who could therefore join the war effort in these crucial times.
To be clear, there was no "in-universe" attempt to explain this: no time-travel, suspended animation, or suggestion that these were the descendants of the original, Victorian Holmes and Watson. The whole series was just relocated, kit and kaboodle, from Victorian times to the modern era, complete with Moriarty, Mrs. Hudson, Inspector Lestrade, etc.
And the Rathbone/Bruce movies stayed in the 1940s thereafter.
(Another war-related retcon: The Green Hornet's sidekick, Kato, was Japanese -- until Pear Harbor happened, at which point he became Filipino for the duration. Or so I understand.)
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