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Khan and the Eugenics War

Citiprime said:
You're telling me they can create a VR wall set for an alien world with Klingons in the first episode, but can't create 1960s/70s Asia with the same technology?
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Heck we had young Indiana Jones running around in India in 1910 thirty years ago in the Young Indy show. Admittedly that show had a rather huge budget but still.

DEWLine said:
A period piece that likely would have required location shoots in India or nearby. That might have been (a) extra-expensive in ways the current projects aren't, and (b) politically dicey over there for lots of reasons. (EG: Narendra Modi, and is Khan Noonien-Singh being repurposed as a comment on his behaviour?)

Not that I wouldn't have preferred such a project myself...
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Reminding everyone that Khan was a Sikh actually might be controversial. Heck it might have been controversial even back during Wrath of Khan (where it conveniently was not mentioned) considering 2 years after that film Indira Gandhi was assassinated and then there were anti-Sikh riots, although I'm not sure if Star Trek films actually were released in India during that time or not.
 
Modi is quite infamously a Hindu nationalist, so I'm not sure why a Sikh Khan would be a comment on him.

Khan's supposed Sikh heritage was never important to the character - he never wears a turban nor expresses any faith other than in himself and his own abilities.
 
This whole sliding timescale business is also consistent with what was established in Star Trek Beyond regarding the Kelvin Universe: a change in the timeline creates ripples that go both forward and backward in time, altering both the future and the past.
 
Skywalker said:
This whole sliding timescale business is also consistent with what was established in Star Trek Beyond regarding the Kelvin Universe: a change in the timeline creates ripples that go both forward and backward in time, altering both the future and the past.
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Except that's not said anywhere on screen in Star Trek Beyond. Simon Pegg said that about why Sulu was gay in the Kelvin Timeline, but considering that https://www.startrek.com/database_article/sulu-hikaru says Prime Sulu was born in 2237 after the point of divergence, it's just more likely he's a genetically different person that Kelvin Sulu. Or even if he somehow isn't, real life identical twins who should have the same genome have had cases where one is gay and one is straight.
 
Well, they established definitively that in the current Trek prime timeline the Eugenics Wars take place in the mid-21st century, and why. Good.

It works with the WWIII that precedes Cochrane's invention.
 
Yistaan said:
Except that's not said anywhere on screen in Star Trek Beyond. Simon Pegg said that about why Sulu was gay in the Kelvin Timeline, but considering that https://www.startrek.com/database_article/sulu-hikaru says Prime Sulu was born in 2237 after the point of divergence, it's just more likely he's a genetically different person that Kelvin Sulu. Or even if he somehow isn't, real life identical twins who should have the same genome have had cases where one is gay and one is straight.
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Easy explanation is that the Narada didn't just travel back in time, but into a pre-existing parallel universe with a prior point of divergence, considering that Khan is also a completely different person.

Until the Narada it was more or less aligned to the Prime Universe, then the real divergence happened.
 
Serveaux said:
Well, they established definitively that in the current Trek prime timeline the Eugenics Wars take place in the mid-21st century, and why. Good.

It works with the WWIII that precedes Cochrane's invention.
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The Romulan said the temporal wars caused the shift. I prefer this to the Spock/Records were wrong and incomplete due to an emp pulse etc. Just acknowledge as alt timeline. After all remember McCoys phaser killed someone in 1930s NY so the timeline could have changed then despite the Guardian saying all is as it was
 
Yistaan said:
Except that's not said anywhere on screen in Star Trek Beyond. Simon Pegg said that about why Sulu was gay in the Kelvin Timeline, but considering that https://www.startrek.com/database_article/sulu-hikaru says Prime Sulu was born in 2237 after the point of divergence, it's just more likely he's a genetically different person that Kelvin Sulu. Or even if he somehow isn't, real life identical twins who should have the same genome have had cases where one is gay and one is straight.
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Or either or both Sulus are bisexual and ended up with a guy in one or both timelines. While Sulu was interested in women in TOS, we never heard anything about Demora-Prime's other parent(s), she could've had two dads as easily as she could've been, say, the product of a whirlwind weekend romance with... a woman who was some kind of jewel thief? It's been a while since I read The Captain's Daughter.

Serveaux said:
Well, they established definitively that in the current Trek prime timeline the Eugenics Wars take place in the mid-21st century, and why. Good.

It works with the WWIII that precedes Cochrane's invention.
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Oh, wait, does this mean people will stop insisting James Cromwell was playing someone who was thirty in First Contact?
 
Skywalker said:
This whole sliding timescale business is also consistent with what was established in Star Trek Beyond regarding the Kelvin Universe: a change in the timeline creates ripples that go both forward and backward in time, altering both the future and the past.
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That was never stated in Star Trek Beyond.

It was Simon Pegg's head canon.
 
Tuskin38 said:
That was never stated in Star Trek Beyond.

It was Simon Pegg's head canon.
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Ah, I must have gotten the two conflated--it's been several years since I last watched the movie. Nevertheless, it makes sense, and it probably should have been included in the movie.
 
NCC-73515 said:
a WoK remake is a bad idea
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And Paramount will announce a Wrath of Khan remake, starring, uh, Sacha Dhawan as Khan!

Khan: First things first, La'an. ...Kill James T. Kirk.

La'an: Grandfather, that it is difficult. I ...try to obey, but...

Khan: Kill him.

La'an: I...

Khan: Kill him, La'an, now!

(La'an shoots herself and a Ceti eel crawls out of her ear)

Kirk: KHHHAAAAAANNNNNNN!!!!!!!

Khan: Genesis bomb. Short fuse. I can relate to that!

Spock tries to use the tricorder to deactivate Genesis

Khan: Did you really think that I would not make that tricorder-proof, Spock?! Come on! Deadlock sealed. And I made sure - no escape pods on board. Stick with me, cos I control... everything. Even these guys. (snaps his fingers and an army of Augments beam in)

Khan: One last thing, Kirk. Something you should know in the seconds before you die. Everything that you think you know... is a lie!!!
 
Khan: In order to ensure the security and continuing stability, the United Nations will be reorganized into the First! Augment! EMPIRE!! For a safe and secure society!

Cristobal Rios: I could've sworn I read in my history books that Khan was defeated almost 3 decades before I arrived here! What's going on? What have I done?!
 
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