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Khan and the Eugenics War
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That dipped off to the point that Star Trek Beyond was considered a flop. Also I saw Trek 2009 in theater at release with a "mainstream audience" type woman from Tianjin, China. She hated it.
And huge push back from the fan base. Anger at the choices made, Kirk being born wrong, Spock was wrong and the Enterprise was also wrong. What casual interest was squandered so that it became bones for the nitpicking.
STB was a flop because the marketing was abyssmal to non-existent. I believe there are casual Star Trek fans out there that still don't know this movie exists
And personally as an original TOS fan, I thought it was pretty damn good.
(even though They destroyed the Enterprise AGAIN!)
<grumble ... grumble ... grumble...>
A sizeable segment of the fan base lost their goddamn minds back then and it was gloriously hilarious. I loved the Kelvin films and would’ve been okay if that was the primary focus of modern Trek. The incessant whining from fanboys would’ve been the icing on the cake (chef’s kiss)
So basically what happened to Star Wars, which never went back to the "old" timeline (i.e. the 2003 tv show, Ewoks/Droids movies, and associated material)
Now I'm even more curious about "Those Old Scientists", will they play it off as a straight jump through time or something more?
All old scientists look the same.
someone reminded me that Picard Season 2 already delayed the Eugenics Wars, that was confirmed by Terry Matalas.
Plus Akiva was a showrunner on Pic Season 2 as well.
Though Terry said their reasoning just fucked up history keeping because of WW3, and to also ignore what Khan said in WoK.
Plus Akiva was a showrunner on Pic Season 2 as well.
Though Terry said their reasoning just fucked up history keeping because of WW3, and to also ignore what Khan said in WoK.
Honestly, it's a cop-out to mimic the real-world 2020s just because it is the 2020s, but I guess VOY set the precedent that it's cheaper and more convenient to use unaltered real buildings for time travel stories. Blah.
You know, I used to cringe at the mention of WW3 and whatnot, because (obviously I hope to be right) I do not see human civilization ever collapsing to that point. That being said, it was far more prevalent on the minds of writers 50-60 years ago, and for the most part, it's largely been ignored since. The Bell Riots written into DS9 definitely are more possible.
However, I think it's been appropriate to write stories about genetic engineering as well as artificial intelligence, and the dangers they could pose. They are on people's minds now. I do not believe the technology for such dangers exists today, nor IMO will it exist anytime soon. But it makes for good stories.
So I don't have a problem with writers using Eugenics Wars as part of their stories, despite the fact they clearly did not happen LOL, nor would likely ever happen, as I said, anytime in the next century, again, if you ask me. Regardless, when you write a franchise to have such incredibly advanced technology, you cannot ignore the pratfalls for those advances. It's simply human nature that some will use the tech nefariously.
Anyway, I just would ask the writers to largely skip WW3, because frankly it's insulting to the humanity and how far we have grown. There are many more real issues confronting humanity than nuclear war.
However, I think it's been appropriate to write stories about genetic engineering as well as artificial intelligence, and the dangers they could pose. They are on people's minds now. I do not believe the technology for such dangers exists today, nor IMO will it exist anytime soon. But it makes for good stories.
So I don't have a problem with writers using Eugenics Wars as part of their stories, despite the fact they clearly did not happen LOL, nor would likely ever happen, as I said, anytime in the next century, again, if you ask me. Regardless, when you write a franchise to have such incredibly advanced technology, you cannot ignore the pratfalls for those advances. It's simply human nature that some will use the tech nefariously.
Anyway, I just would ask the writers to largely skip WW3, because frankly it's insulting to the humanity and how far we have grown. There are many more real issues confronting humanity than nuclear war.
to be fair, TOS never said the Eugenics wars reached America.
Humanity of course has a lot of issues but nuclear war is still one of them. There's a literal war going on right now that won't end because one side is parading the nuclear card every chance they get, and said side even had an attempted coup by mercenaries that almost got control of said nuclear weapons occurring as recently as last week as of this writing.
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I'm here for this. ENT and DSC already suggested the Temporal Wars were raging, so I had mused that SNW might be one of the battlegrounds.
It's still the Prime universe, it's just that the nature of the Prime timeline is in constant flux, like in Year of Hell.
They can have their cake and eat it.
RIP Memory Alpha.
It's still the Prime universe, it's just that the nature of the Prime timeline is in constant flux, like in Year of Hell.
They can have their cake and eat it.
RIP Memory Alpha.
The Eugenics War was worldwide stated by Spock in TOS S1 Space Seed.
Khan ruled 1/4 of the world. the other 3/4's were ruled by OTHER Augments who seized power in 1992, and then fought among themselves until they were all defeated in 1996, and 70-80 of them left in the SS Botony Bay.
Direct Spock quotes: "Whole populations bombed out of existence."
"Would you reveal to war weary populations that 70-80 Supermen were unaccounted for?"
"Records from that time are sparse."
^^^
If there were a functioning world power that was univolved/virtually unscathed - there would be better historical records from that time, but per Spock, there are not.
Sure.
If Star Trek continues into the years to come, I could totally see them retconning World War 3 out.
A devastating nuclear war that regresses humanity back to brutal barbarism for decades....and it begins any year now. It flies in the face of the messaging that Nu Trek is putting out there to audiences about changing our current world for the better.
A devastating nuclear war that regresses humanity back to brutal barbarism for decades....and it begins any year now. It flies in the face of the messaging that Nu Trek is putting out there to audiences about changing our current world for the better.
Well, Trek always operates on the idea of things got worse before better. Built in to TOS and TNG.
*Yawn*
If they delete Star Trek: First Contact just for not being like the real 2063, I will riot.
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