Jonathan Goldstein and John Francis Daley developing Star Trek reboot for Paramount

[Dar70]

By the time Enterprise did their Mirror episodes, the show had already been cancelled and the ratings were so low, they were no longer bothering trying to make a show for a general audience. The exacting reproductions of the sets were for the die-hards and nobody else.

And I don't see anything wrong with that. They were great episodes and the sets looked fine and the Exterior looked phenomenal with all the "modern" day designs.

 

[Firebird]

And I don't see anything wrong with that. They were great episodes and the sets looked fine and the Exterior looked phenomenal with all the "modern" day designs.

A show can't survive if you're only catering to the smallest audience possible. Television is a mass media platform and the economics simply don't work with niche things.

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

They will never get into TMP era but if they did there is no way the ship would morph into that ship now. They would have to update TMP ships exterior and interior to at least match scale and exterior windows. Which would probably really piss off fans.

Exactly; the designs of the 1701 were naturally evolved into the TOS-movie era, and the movies clearly set the path of TNG. SNW's ship appears far more advanced than any season (upgrades included) of TNG's 1701, and no one...aside from those who want to squint and sell themselves that it just "works"...can honestly say SNW's 1701 is more than a century earlier than TNG's.

 

[fireproof78]

Exactly; the designs of the 1701 were naturally evolved into the TOS-movie era, and the movies clearly set the path of TNG.

TMP connects fine to TNG. It's TOS that does not fit. It's an update past believability.

When I ascend to god-emperor of the universe, which by my reckoning should be any day now, I will have season 3 stricken as non-canon and only seasons 1 and 2 shall remain canon. All copies of season 3 will then be dumped on the forbidden planet of Omega III.

Just one more helping of spice should do it .

So say we all.

 

[Dukhat]

TMP connects fine to TNG. It's TOS that does not fit. It's an update past believability.

You keep saying that. But the evidence is clearly against your opinion.

Now as far as a modern production is concerned, yes, the days of future tech assumptions from a '60's perspective is clearly over. So then you just make a new show, without any connection to a show from the '60's. Just like the Michael Keaton Batman films have no connection to the Adam West show. Or the Christian Bale films. Or the Ben Affleck films. Or the Robert Pattinson films. None of those productions needed to have the crutch that they took place in the same continuity as the '60's show, or that any of those guys were supposed to be Adam West's Batman with a new actor. Because nobody would have taken that seriously, and would have been completely unnecessary anyway.

 

[TRON JA307020]

Nope.

I was old enough to know how ST productions worked as they were produced and what their goals were. At no point did the overall drive behind TAS or the TOS-movies attempt some sweeping attempt to ignore and/or dramatically upend the history of the main characters, hero ship(s) or deliberately fail to suggest a natural evolutionary path from TOS to TAS and into the movies. That was always quite apparent.



If the new leash-yankers have any sense at all, the entire DISCOverse would be considered an alternate universe.

Totally agree. That would fix things for me. At the least we will get no more damage caused by Kurtzman.

 

[fireproof78]

You keep saying that. But the evidence is clearly against your opinion.

It's art and open to interpretation.

TOS had a much different time than TMP and TNG. Technology is treated much different, and characters are far different too. Kirk is rougher around the edges, warp speeds change, and organizations feel different. The structure of the world feels very different.

So then you just make a new show, without any connection to a show from the '60's.

Please do. I have no issues with this. But as others have issue with SNW, I have with TOS to TMP. The lip service towards continuity in TMP is basically pretending to me. The shift of attitudes and people and tech is too different for me. The ENTERPRISE refit has the same shape and that's it. The uniforms are not the same, and it all just adds up for me.

Mileage will vary.

 

[Dukhat]

TNG has far more in common with TOS than TMP, other than the Riker/Troi=Decker/Ilia thing, which was just Roddenberry carrying over his ideas from Phase II.

 

[fireproof78]

TNG has far more in common with TOS than TMP, other than the Riker/Troi=Decker/Ilia thing, which was just Roddenberry carrying over his ideas from Phase II.

Stargate feels in common with TNG. Doesn't make it the same world.

 

[Jayson1]

Why does it always devolve into these inane talking points. Art evolves, simple as that. "Canon" should never supersede an artistic endeavour. You don't have to like all art, in fact, that's the point - you should feel something in engaging with art, whether it's pleasure or distaste. But the thing you like will always exist regardless so fussing over differences is a head-scratcher.

It is in our nature.

 

[Set Harth]

Just like the Michael Keaton Batman films have no connection to the Adam West show. Or the Christian Bale films. Or the Ben Affleck films.

Of course the Michael Keaton films do actually have a connection to the Ben Affleck films at this point...