Jonathan Goldstein and John Francis Daley developing Star Trek reboot for Paramount

[tomalak301]

Which one is that?

The Voyage Home was considered a comedy.

 

[UssGlenn]

it's a Fish Out of Water comedy, appropriately enough.

 

[Jayson1]

I think The Voyage Home could be best described as a adventure comedy. The movie has comedy in it but also has other things such as social commentary,a ticking clock and character development and closure from what was done in the previous two films.

 

[camdudetenger2018]

...and?

and its just fresh and brand new like the origins of star trek in a new universe

 

[Mudd]

and its just fresh and brand new like the origins of star trek in a new universe

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[eschaton]

My feeling is they will make a fun and competent Star Trek movie that has plenty of adventure and comedy but don't expect it to really expect to be particular deep. It's basically just going to be like a MCU movie but hopefully one of the good ones. As for the changes they plan on doing. The good thing is I expect completely new characters so it's not going to be another re-imagining of already established characters. I am also going to make a prediction it is set many years after the TNG era and they will more or less pretend like Discovery's version of the future never happened. This allows them change things up and do their own thing and not beholden to much canon.

For some reason, I'm expecting some sort of "fish out of water" story. Like where a character from our present is plopped into the Trekverse, and makes light commentary on its many absurdities.

While fish out of water isn't the only comedy structure, it works well for more family-friendly comedy. Indeed, TVH basically had this structure, as was noted.

The good thing about doing this is they can do it without having a single legacy Trek character appear, since it will just be lightly taking the piss out of Star Trek (like a within-canon Galaxy Quest) and not rely on any of the particulars we know already.

 

[Laura Cynthia Chambers]

So "Self-Insert Fanfic:The Movie"?

 

[Jayson1]

For some reason, I'm expecting some sort of "fish out of water" story. Like where a character from our present is plopped into the Trekverse, and makes light commentary on its many absurdities.

While fish out of water isn't the only comedy structure, it works well for more family-friendly comedy. Indeed, TVH basically had this structure, as was noted.

The good thing about doing this is they can do it without having a single legacy Trek character appear, since it will just be lightly taking the piss out of Star Trek (like a within-canon Galaxy Quest) and not rely on any of the particulars we know already.

I can see that or at least a single character who sort of represents the modern day viewer. Someone who is thrust into the world of Star Trek much like we would be if we were somehow transported to the future but have never seen any of the old Trek shows and movies. I'm not just thinking of Galaxy Quest but also the John Meyers character in the first Hellboy movie. Hellboy was the star of the movie but he was the audience POV character.

 

[Turtletrekker]

But it's something done in other franchises a lot these days. It's just never

I don't like it at all when other franchises do it, either. See my recent comments in the thread for the new Mummy movie.

 

[Turtletrekker]

If LD--a recent ST series--disappeared from consciousness so quickly after its cancellation, that's not the kind of production that would attract audiences--or make a profit.



Roddenberry did that with TAS; during the pre-release promotional appearances and run of the series, Roddenberry (and Fontana) actively referred to TAS as an official continuation of TOS, but as we all know, a few years later, Roddenberry would attempt to de-canon-ize TAS, yet some TAS elements were--as you describe the practice--selectively picked to find their way into post-TAS Treks. Let us not forget how he tried (and thankfully failed) to sell the notion that TMP was how TOS really looked, and that many of its episodes were apocryphal. If Jayson's idea is adopted by the new owners and writers, it would be a "been there, done that" situation for the franchise.

This policy was due to legal and ownership issues with Filmation which evaporated as soon as Filmation did and nothing else. As for the rest, as you say, he "thankfully failed". Because it was a bad idea. Just like disregarding The Burn.

Roddenberry was full of bad ideas that "thankfully failed". Three-breasted Betazoids. "Three-legged" Ferengi. Spock kills JFK. Roddenberry actually thought that subbmitting the script for The Omega Glory for Emmy consideration was a good idea. Thankfully, the Razzies didn't exist then.

 

[Dukhat]

"Three-legged" Ferengi.

I thought his idea for the Ferengi was that they would have bulbous testicles, not three legs? Unless you're being sarcastic and you meant a 'third leg.'

 

[Turtletrekker]

I thought his idea for the Ferengi was that they would have bulbous testicles, not three legs? Unless you're being sarcastic and you meant a 'third leg.'

And one bad idea is better than the other bad idea? Even if I misremembered the specifics, it's still a bad idea.

 

[Dukhat]

And one bad idea is better than the other bad idea? Even if I misremembered the specifics, it's still a bad idea.

Er, I don't recall making a value judgment about either thing.

 

[Dar70]

Finally a complete Reboot with zero ties to anything else. This is good news IMO. Complete new continuity. The current producers have shown the last 8 years that they are incapable of adhering to previous continuity. A complete reboot will not in any way do any more damage to the franchise. They can do whatever they want. Start it wherever they want. No more stuffing shows with characters that don't belong there. No more inconsistent technology lineage. Make it all new and leave 1966-2005 alone now. Let it rest.

 

[TRON JA307020]

Finally a complete Reboot with zero ties to anything else. This is good news IMO. Complete new continuity. The current producers have shown the last 8 years that they are incapable of adhering to previous continuity. A complete reboot will not in any way do any more damage to the franchise. They can do whatever they want. Start it wherever they want. No more stuffing shows with characters that don't belong there. No more inconsistent technology lineage. Make it all new and leave 1966-2005 alone now. Let it rest.

Agreed. Kurtzman and his team have made such a mess of the prime trek that it no longer resembles trek. I mean puppet shows aside ive had it with him messing up trek.

 

[Detached Nacelle]

I'm genuinely unsure if these comments are sarcastic or silly.

 

[Turtletrekker]

I'm genuinely unsure if these comments are sarcastic or silly.

Agreed.

 

[eschaton]

I think a lot of folks are reading in things the article doesn't say. The claims are:

• A new take on the Star Trek universe and not connected to any previous or current television series, movie or prior movie development projects.
• Not be a sequel to the Kelvin movies, but something different with new actors.
• Likely featuring new characters.

I don't see anything here saying they're establishing a new continuity and/or throwing out the last 60 years. I interpret "connected" to instead mean it's not going to be a "sequel" to anything we've seen before.

My guess is this will be in the prime universe, but just not directly relate to any of the characters (or maybe even eras) we've seen before. And if it's a comedy, it could easily be a relatively low-stakes adventure, meaning the sort of romp it makes sense no one talked about before.

 

[Steve Roby]

Granted some of this stuff can easily be head canon away as to have happened in another alternate universe and the Discovery future could easily be explained away like that. When "Discovery" crew left for the future they left behind a universe that will now not have The Burn. The universe they now exist in was one that still had one. More or less also what happened with the Kelvinverse. That crew lives in a universe were Vulcan blew up. The Prime universe never had that happen to Vulcan.

What?

By definition, "head canon" doesn't mean shit to anyone but the occupant of the head in question. It resolves nothing for anyone else.

As far as all of Star Trek aside from the Kelvinverse is concerned, the Burn is something that either will happen or has already happened, regardless of how many fans don't like it.

 

[Jayson1]

What?

By definition, "head canon" doesn't mean shit to anyone but the occupant of the head in question. It resolves nothing for anyone else.

As far as all of Star Trek aside from the Kelvinverse is concerned, the Burn is something that either will happen or has already happened, regardless of how many fans don't like it.

Unless someone comes along and writes that The Burn didn't happen. All canon is subject to change. Whether fans accept it or not is what makes up their "head canon."