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Jonathan Goldstein and John Francis Daley developing Star Trek reboot for Paramount
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I do. Personally I just love the idea of the show being in another universe. I still love my idea of them killing Kirk and Pike ends up staying the Captain. I can only imagine all the novels and comic books that would follow in it's effort to explore this new version of TOS.
Captain, James Kirk must die.
I always saw it as a chance for their "Blow up Vulcan" moment in the Kelvinverse movies. That thing that really sends home the message that is no longer Trek in the Prime timeline. Though I would think Spock and Uhura, dating and Kirk's dad dying years before he was suppose to would also have been very clear cues as well.
Oh, I thought you most wanted to kill Kirk because you hated him.
Nope. I love Captain Kirk. I even like SNW's version of Captain Kirk. I just like the story potential in allowing it be something that really sends home the message that SNW is set in another universe.
That "message" is only your head-canon and not the intent of those producing the series.
It could be. All they have to do is change their minds.
If one takes the word retcon literally (to apply retroactive continuity) then yes SNW does retcon a lot of TOS but this retroactive continuity is in no way contradictory but is adding key context and character development the original just didn't have because it was a different time. SNW can only serve to enhance TOS.
Star Trek has been retconning itself ever since James R Kirk became James T Kirk.
Indeed, yes. I think that the TOS crew is so iconic that any context added that isn't in line with personal imagining will be rejected outright.
I know it's a burned-out discussion at this point but surely the key to enjoying Star Trek, or any long-running media franchise, is to just accept what you like and disregard what you don't, since that's what the writers themselves have been doing since day one.
SNW doesn't feel like the same universe as TOS to me at all, but I also don't really care; it's a completely different series written by completely different people. Some of its ideas, especially its version of T'Pring and Uhura, I like enough to re-integrate into my own impressions of TOS, whereas most other things (their treatment of the Gorn, their notion that Trelane is a Q, the entire bizarre "ultimate evil" plot in S3, etc) I think are crap and thus won't have in mind when rewatching TOS.
That's not novel to the Kurtzman stuff though; I still can't read TOS and TNG as taking place in the same universe, but I think I actually prefer them as unconnected standalone sci-fi shows in their own settings.
SNW doesn't feel like the same universe as TOS to me at all, but I also don't really care; it's a completely different series written by completely different people. Some of its ideas, especially its version of T'Pring and Uhura, I like enough to re-integrate into my own impressions of TOS, whereas most other things (their treatment of the Gorn, their notion that Trelane is a Q, the entire bizarre "ultimate evil" plot in S3, etc) I think are crap and thus won't have in mind when rewatching TOS.
That's not novel to the Kurtzman stuff though; I still can't read TOS and TNG as taking place in the same universe, but I think I actually prefer them as unconnected standalone sci-fi shows in their own settings.
That's still supposition and is not supported by the producer's intent.
Granted we can never be full aware of their intent. I mean this could in theory be what they have been planning to do for a long time and they have been lying about it so as not to ruin the surprise twist. Granted I doubt that is the case but we can never be fully sure nor can we be sure how much they are willing to bend on ideas they use to support but don't anymore.
I was listening to how Vince Gilligan has his shows planned out but he is also always open to a better idea coming along and making changes. Like how he decided not to kill Jesse in season 1. Frankly I would hope most show runners would approach their shows. Have a plan and goal. But always be open for better ideas that might come along.
Granted TOS was where it all got started. In theory the longer Trek runs the more canon it develops meaning we in theory should have a more fleshed out and understood setting now than when it was just starting.
Well, I thought SNW and Kelvin films were doing a good job of showing an approximation of the TOS era characters and how they were actually people instead of historical figures looked down upon in TNG era
You keep repeating this, but I'm still not really buying it. Or at least I wasn't buying it until you mentioned SNW.
There has been a prevailing fan theory that the *original* timeline was with Zefram Cochrane making his flight, with no help from people from the future, and no Borg trying to shoot his ship down. Those events led to TOS, which led to TNG, DS9 & VOY. But the changed timeline with the events of FC led to ENT, which led to DSC, which led to SNW, which led to different versions of TOS, TNG, DS9 and VOY, which led to LDS, PRO and PIC, and now SFA.
That's a theory that I can get behind.
You can't retcon what wasn't specifically stated in Canon.
They've retconned a lot of Fanon, but that's not really an issue to me.
Ever since Spock said there had never been a mutiny on a starship, when he himself stole the Enterprise a season prior. Or that Garth of Izar's crew mutinied against him.
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